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		By: What is the Political Affiliation of Scientologists?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What is the Political Affiliation of Scientologists?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2022 13:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Courts have traditionally sided with scientology (I have explained why in previous posts see Religious Protections Run Amok): most recently the 11th Circuit Garcia decision with the only dissent being from the Democrat on [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Courts have traditionally sided with scientology (I have explained why in previous posts see Religious Protections Run Amok): most recently the 11th Circuit Garcia decision with the only dissent being from the Democrat on [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Scientology &#8220;Arbitration&#8221;: They make up the rules as they go along		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scientology &#8220;Arbitration&#8221;: They make up the rules as they go along]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2021 14:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] ignoring the facts. I have previously commented about my concerns with conservative judges &#8212; Religious Protections Run Amok&#8212; sadly this decision confirms those [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ignoring the facts. I have previously commented about my concerns with conservative judges &#8212; Religious Protections Run Amok&#8212; sadly this decision confirms those [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: WhatAreYourCrimes		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355524</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhatAreYourCrimes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2020 04:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It sickens me that any &quot;church&quot; with tax exemption simply adds more weight to the burden of taxes for ordinary hard-working people.  

These scumbag religions game the system to pamper their own asses, while parents raising families have to make truly difficult decisions on what they can give to their children, after the taxman gets his piece.

It is disgusting and wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sickens me that any &#8220;church&#8221; with tax exemption simply adds more weight to the burden of taxes for ordinary hard-working people.  </p>
<p>These scumbag religions game the system to pamper their own asses, while parents raising families have to make truly difficult decisions on what they can give to their children, after the taxman gets his piece.</p>
<p>It is disgusting and wrong.</p>
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		By: OmegaPaladin		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355471</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OmegaPaladin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 18:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I have to part company with you here.   Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution.   Congress itself has had a chaplain for centuries.  The point is that the government cannot prohibit the practice of religion or play favorites.

Not playing favorites is a big deal.  The more modern jurisprudence considers favoring secularism just as bad.  If a group is only being denied a service because of a religious orientation, then an avowedly atheist organization could be favored over an avowedly religious organization.  That would be akin to state sponsorship of atheism.  

The rules on discrimination are another thing.   Religion is a protected class under the discrimination statues.   If a religious organization is going to work, the people running actually need to believe in the tenets of the religion.  The groups needs to be able to enforce rules on who can join.  For example, if a scientologist applied to teach at a Christian school, discrimination law says that can&#039;t disqualify them.  I should not expect to be able to teach at a Muslim school as a Christian, because the school is set up as Muslim and people send their kids to the school to have Muslim education.

Just as an aside, this article is why you are not going to see a conservative movement against scientology.  Most religious conservatives believe that there are lots of people out there who would use any anti-scientology legislation against their church.  For example, a lot of people hate evangelicals and view them as evil bigots who deserve to die.  This leaves the evangelicals worried about any reduction in religious protections.  If you want to build a broad-based movement against scientology, you will need to focus on areas that do not threaten the average churchgoer. (like their moneygrubbing fraud)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I have to part company with you here.   Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution.   Congress itself has had a chaplain for centuries.  The point is that the government cannot prohibit the practice of religion or play favorites.</p>
<p>Not playing favorites is a big deal.  The more modern jurisprudence considers favoring secularism just as bad.  If a group is only being denied a service because of a religious orientation, then an avowedly atheist organization could be favored over an avowedly religious organization.  That would be akin to state sponsorship of atheism.  </p>
<p>The rules on discrimination are another thing.   Religion is a protected class under the discrimination statues.   If a religious organization is going to work, the people running actually need to believe in the tenets of the religion.  The groups needs to be able to enforce rules on who can join.  For example, if a scientologist applied to teach at a Christian school, discrimination law says that can&#8217;t disqualify them.  I should not expect to be able to teach at a Muslim school as a Christian, because the school is set up as Muslim and people send their kids to the school to have Muslim education.</p>
<p>Just as an aside, this article is why you are not going to see a conservative movement against scientology.  Most religious conservatives believe that there are lots of people out there who would use any anti-scientology legislation against their church.  For example, a lot of people hate evangelicals and view them as evil bigots who deserve to die.  This leaves the evangelicals worried about any reduction in religious protections.  If you want to build a broad-based movement against scientology, you will need to focus on areas that do not threaten the average churchgoer. (like their moneygrubbing fraud)</p>
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		By: Cat W.		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355454</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cat W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 14:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Mike, for researching the actual history instead of just the slogans. I&#039;m so tired of people who claim that the US is or was a Christian country, as if that&#039;s a good thing. They are happy to dismantle the very protections that did make this country great and exceptional in the name of their false assertions about why this country is great and exceptional.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mike, for researching the actual history instead of just the slogans. I&#8217;m so tired of people who claim that the US is or was a Christian country, as if that&#8217;s a good thing. They are happy to dismantle the very protections that did make this country great and exceptional in the name of their false assertions about why this country is great and exceptional.</p>
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		By: mwesten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mwesten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 13:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355445&quot;&gt;Roger Larsson&lt;/a&gt;.

Great quote!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355445">Roger Larsson</a>.</p>
<p>Great quote!</p>
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		By: Andy S		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 13:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355345&quot;&gt;Formost&lt;/a&gt;.

So the only thing Scientology &quot;clears&quot; are their schmuck&#039;s bank accounts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355345">Formost</a>.</p>
<p>So the only thing Scientology &#8220;clears&#8221; are their schmuck&#8217;s bank accounts.</p>
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		By: Fairy tale		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355447</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fairy tale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 12:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355365&quot;&gt;BFM&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess, this is why miscavige restructured the company away from Hubbard&#039;s quacky philosophy and stalinistic Gulag mentality. Hubbard is a looser, as David  could see quite fast. But the 500 million dollars from the other branches of Scientology are a real reason to go on until it breaks. After that he will spend his last years on a island like this friend of Trump and Prince Andrew. Good end of a bad fairy tale.

I wish that the money is divided under all hypnotized ex members.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355365">BFM</a>.</p>
<p>I guess, this is why miscavige restructured the company away from Hubbard&#8217;s quacky philosophy and stalinistic Gulag mentality. Hubbard is a looser, as David  could see quite fast. But the 500 million dollars from the other branches of Scientology are a real reason to go on until it breaks. After that he will spend his last years on a island like this friend of Trump and Prince Andrew. Good end of a bad fairy tale.</p>
<p>I wish that the money is divided under all hypnotized ex members.</p>
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		By: Roger Larsson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Larsson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 12:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientology is a bloody serious thing depending on every members hard-working.

&quot;I went to the wøøds because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the
essential facts of life, and see if I could nøt learn what it had to teach, and
nøt, when I came to die, discover that I had nøt lived.&quot; __Henry David Thøreau]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology is a bloody serious thing depending on every members hard-working.</p>
<p>&#8220;I went to the wøøds because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the<br />
essential facts of life, and see if I could nøt learn what it had to teach, and<br />
nøt, when I came to die, discover that I had nøt lived.&#8221; __Henry David Thøreau</p>
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		By: Mary Kahn		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Kahn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355371&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks!  Never seen this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/2476876-2/#comment-355371">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks!  Never seen this.</p>
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