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		By: Joe Benton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 06:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reading this post really just echos a lot of what I went through while I was on staff in San Francisco. 

I knew from a very early age that I was gay. Of course, being a Scientologist, let alone on staff, this was a big No-No. 

From the time I began my career (at the young age of 13), I had to hide anything and everything possible that may have shown I was gay. Yeah I was fooling around at a young age, but if anyone in the church found out, let alone my parents, I knew that would have been the end for me. 

Fast forward a couple years and I’m going through hell and back, lower conditions, ethics interviews, being transferred out of HCO and into another division, all because I had messed around with another young man around my age.

It didn’t stop there. FPRD auditing (auditing which is supposed to get rid of your evil intentions… in this case, my evil intentions against women that were making me gay), more lower conditions, and more “handlings” to get me to “change my ways.

This went on and on for years until finally it all came to a head and I was Comm Ev’d off my post and literally humiliated in front of all my students in the Academy while I was on post. Steve Latch, who some of you may know, literally walked in and made a huge announcement taking me off duty (to the dismay of my students and other staff).

I’ve been told that the church has not been homophobic for a long time. Honestly with what I went though, I highly doubt anything has changed. 

Thanks for reposting this article, Mike. Everyone should know that this church is beyond homophobic and anyone who is gay and on staff will go through hell and back more than once, when the church is trying to “fix” them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this post really just echos a lot of what I went through while I was on staff in San Francisco. </p>
<p>I knew from a very early age that I was gay. Of course, being a Scientologist, let alone on staff, this was a big No-No. </p>
<p>From the time I began my career (at the young age of 13), I had to hide anything and everything possible that may have shown I was gay. Yeah I was fooling around at a young age, but if anyone in the church found out, let alone my parents, I knew that would have been the end for me. </p>
<p>Fast forward a couple years and I’m going through hell and back, lower conditions, ethics interviews, being transferred out of HCO and into another division, all because I had messed around with another young man around my age.</p>
<p>It didn’t stop there. FPRD auditing (auditing which is supposed to get rid of your evil intentions… in this case, my evil intentions against women that were making me gay), more lower conditions, and more “handlings” to get me to “change my ways.</p>
<p>This went on and on for years until finally it all came to a head and I was Comm Ev’d off my post and literally humiliated in front of all my students in the Academy while I was on post. Steve Latch, who some of you may know, literally walked in and made a huge announcement taking me off duty (to the dismay of my students and other staff).</p>
<p>I’ve been told that the church has not been homophobic for a long time. Honestly with what I went though, I highly doubt anything has changed. </p>
<p>Thanks for reposting this article, Mike. Everyone should know that this church is beyond homophobic and anyone who is gay and on staff will go through hell and back more than once, when the church is trying to “fix” them.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2022 01:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/31-scientology-homophobia/#comment-491030&quot;&gt;Angry Gay Pope&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed.]]></description>
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<p>Agreed.</p>
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		By: Angry Gay Pope		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/31-scientology-homophobia/#comment-490931&quot;&gt;tesseract&lt;/a&gt;.

No he is Gay.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/31-scientology-homophobia/#comment-490931">tesseract</a>.</p>
<p>No he is Gay.</p>
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		By: Imaberrated		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2022 00:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My Scientology-learned homophobia started to break down when I became good friends with a gay woman. I spent months working with her, and one day, she revealed that she was gay. She was very private and didn’t present as gay. She was in no way “1.1”. I had been declared and was out, but still considered myself to be a Scientologist. I had to reconsider what I thought about gay people.

I still fight that prejudice today, but it’s waning, thankfully.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Scientology-learned homophobia started to break down when I became good friends with a gay woman. I spent months working with her, and one day, she revealed that she was gay. She was very private and didn’t present as gay. She was in no way “1.1”. I had been declared and was out, but still considered myself to be a Scientologist. I had to reconsider what I thought about gay people.</p>
<p>I still fight that prejudice today, but it’s waning, thankfully.</p>
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		By: tesseract		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 22:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/31-scientology-homophobia/#comment-490808&quot;&gt;Angry Gay Pope&lt;/a&gt;.

Nah, I see Davey more as hetero and a golden showers guy (bottom). Slightly indecent and eccentric, and &quot;baaadass&quot; from his fucked-up narcissistic yuppie perspective, but not &quot;really&quot; dirty, nor dangerous. That&#039;s just the thing for him.
How I know? Instinct? BDSM expertise, personal statistics of matching characters/appearances with later revealed fetishes?
Not kidding tho, I really think that might be his thing (and yes, it&#039;s with zero evidence, I&#039;m just guessing).
:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/31-scientology-homophobia/#comment-490808">Angry Gay Pope</a>.</p>
<p>Nah, I see Davey more as hetero and a golden showers guy (bottom). Slightly indecent and eccentric, and &#8220;baaadass&#8221; from his fucked-up narcissistic yuppie perspective, but not &#8220;really&#8221; dirty, nor dangerous. That&#8217;s just the thing for him.<br />
How I know? Instinct? BDSM expertise, personal statistics of matching characters/appearances with later revealed fetishes?<br />
Not kidding tho, I really think that might be his thing (and yes, it&#8217;s with zero evidence, I&#8217;m just guessing).<br />
🙂</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 11:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The attitudes of societies change over time. At least when Hubbard was alive he didn&#039;t have to consider trans genderism. Asking the questions, &quot;Can men become pregnant?&quot; and &quot;Should biological men be allowed to compete in women&#039;s sports?&quot; would have given him a lot more to write about.

When I was studying at ASHO in the late 1970s I did a lot of co-auditing with a gay guy. His simple explanation for why he was gay, not that any explanation is necessary, was that he picked up the wrong body type this time around. He even had a description of how the mix up occurred. I suppose many &quot;wog&quot; gays would just say, &quot;I was born this way.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attitudes of societies change over time. At least when Hubbard was alive he didn&#8217;t have to consider trans genderism. Asking the questions, &#8220;Can men become pregnant?&#8221; and &#8220;Should biological men be allowed to compete in women&#8217;s sports?&#8221; would have given him a lot more to write about.</p>
<p>When I was studying at ASHO in the late 1970s I did a lot of co-auditing with a gay guy. His simple explanation for why he was gay, not that any explanation is necessary, was that he picked up the wrong body type this time around. He even had a description of how the mix up occurred. I suppose many &#8220;wog&#8221; gays would just say, &#8220;I was born this way.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Cathy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 03:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/31-scientology-homophobia/#comment-490829&quot;&gt;Fred G. Haseney&lt;/a&gt;.

What a wonderful post!]]></description>
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<p>What a wonderful post!</p>
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		By: Fred G. Haseney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, Mike. Today, I reread your earlier post as well as a good portion of those comments. (You had your work cut out for you, to say the least.)

In 2015/2016, I spent a considerable amount of time at Scientology&#039;s West Coast headquarters, PAC Base. I turned my findings of scientology&#039;s weirdnesses into a blog. Seeing &quot;Scientologists do what Scientologists do,&quot; helped me get over having been &quot;one of them.&quot; (I had been a Scientologist for 37 years.)

In addition to often daily walks up and down L. Ron Hubbard Way with camera in hand, I did a lot of protesting at scientology orgs in Southern California as well as at many of their special events. And at nearly every scientology location I went where I also saw one or more of their security guards, I heard them say not-so-nice things about me to my face.

I suppose they meant to introvert me. Based on what they said, how they said it, and how often they said it, their message had but one meaning: sex. After a while, it became quite obvious that someone had access to my PC folders and Ethics folders.

Some of the security guards obviously hadn&#039;t done their homework, since they accused me of deviant sexual behavior that I had never done. Nevertheless, someone had combed through my folders and had gotten the &quot;dirt&quot; on me, and were attempting to use it as a weapon.

I remember one such incident at an event. A security guard bullbaited me on stuff that had obviously been retrieved from my folders. I even called him out on it. At one point, he faked wanting to give me a handshake. When he suddenly pulled his hand away from mine, he said something like, &quot;Eww! I don&#039;t know where you&#039;ve been or what or who you have touched!&quot; Security Guards at Celebrity Centre also seemed to think they knew all about my sexual past, but they didn&#039;t, not quite. I wondered how they could be so certain of their &quot;source.&quot;

The bullbaiting proved to be ineffective. I suppose that after a lifetime of bullbaiting, I&#039;ve become somewhat immune to it.

Scientologists need our acceptance, compassion and understanding, because we know where they&#039;re coming from, even if they can&#039;t see it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mike. Today, I reread your earlier post as well as a good portion of those comments. (You had your work cut out for you, to say the least.)</p>
<p>In 2015/2016, I spent a considerable amount of time at Scientology&#8217;s West Coast headquarters, PAC Base. I turned my findings of scientology&#8217;s weirdnesses into a blog. Seeing &#8220;Scientologists do what Scientologists do,&#8221; helped me get over having been &#8220;one of them.&#8221; (I had been a Scientologist for 37 years.)</p>
<p>In addition to often daily walks up and down L. Ron Hubbard Way with camera in hand, I did a lot of protesting at scientology orgs in Southern California as well as at many of their special events. And at nearly every scientology location I went where I also saw one or more of their security guards, I heard them say not-so-nice things about me to my face.</p>
<p>I suppose they meant to introvert me. Based on what they said, how they said it, and how often they said it, their message had but one meaning: sex. After a while, it became quite obvious that someone had access to my PC folders and Ethics folders.</p>
<p>Some of the security guards obviously hadn&#8217;t done their homework, since they accused me of deviant sexual behavior that I had never done. Nevertheless, someone had combed through my folders and had gotten the &#8220;dirt&#8221; on me, and were attempting to use it as a weapon.</p>
<p>I remember one such incident at an event. A security guard bullbaited me on stuff that had obviously been retrieved from my folders. I even called him out on it. At one point, he faked wanting to give me a handshake. When he suddenly pulled his hand away from mine, he said something like, &#8220;Eww! I don&#8217;t know where you&#8217;ve been or what or who you have touched!&#8221; Security Guards at Celebrity Centre also seemed to think they knew all about my sexual past, but they didn&#8217;t, not quite. I wondered how they could be so certain of their &#8220;source.&#8221;</p>
<p>The bullbaiting proved to be ineffective. I suppose that after a lifetime of bullbaiting, I&#8217;ve become somewhat immune to it.</p>
<p>Scientologists need our acceptance, compassion and understanding, because we know where they&#8217;re coming from, even if they can&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		By: Cathy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I DO like how thorough you are: Go Mike!!
   This reminds me of a friend of mine who is from Chicago, as am I.  He is a former gang member, the C-Notes.  (very badass).  He does not think very highly of scientology: in his world, everything was decided with a gun.  Tolerance?? Laughed at.  It was decided at Ohio and Leavitt.
     Be very careful who you trust and tolerate..as Mike so beautifully put: it could be your new best friend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I DO like how thorough you are: Go Mike!!<br />
   This reminds me of a friend of mine who is from Chicago, as am I.  He is a former gang member, the C-Notes.  (very badass).  He does not think very highly of scientology: in his world, everything was decided with a gun.  Tolerance?? Laughed at.  It was decided at Ohio and Leavitt.<br />
     Be very careful who you trust and tolerate..as Mike so beautifully put: it could be your new best friend.</p>
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		By: Angry Gay Pope		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This despite the face that C-O-B is G-A-Y and I&#039;ve seen piles of Gays/Lesbians in the SO. Likely candidates: Angel the guard at the Christie Hotel, Parker Osmon the guard at Big Blue, Donatella Kevenaar of the GO/OSA. Among public Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Kirstie Alley come to mind but they have money and are famous so they don&#039;t count except for being blackmailed.
Guilt + Gay = Religion. Guilt is the main motivational currency of many religions.
Thanks for reposting!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This despite the face that C-O-B is G-A-Y and I&#8217;ve seen piles of Gays/Lesbians in the SO. Likely candidates: Angel the guard at the Christie Hotel, Parker Osmon the guard at Big Blue, Donatella Kevenaar of the GO/OSA. Among public Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Kirstie Alley come to mind but they have money and are famous so they don&#8217;t count except for being blackmailed.<br />
Guilt + Gay = Religion. Guilt is the main motivational currency of many religions.<br />
Thanks for reposting!</p>
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