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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2328&quot;&gt;XClassVStaff&lt;/a&gt;.

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	You are most welcome. Your involvement and input is appreciated. Mike
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	You are most welcome. Your involvement and input is appreciated. Mike</p>
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		By: XClassVStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, thanks for posting my thoughts above. It&#039;s nice to get them in front of an audience who gets it and to have such wonderful feedback.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, thanks for posting my thoughts above. It&#8217;s nice to get them in front of an audience who gets it and to have such wonderful feedback.</p>
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		By: Lars asplund		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2303&quot;&gt;statpush&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi stat push, what a concept of &quot;free range scn org&quot;! We could even have
organic, genetically unmodified orgs! Pure LRH, with all the goodies that
go along with that.]]></description>
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<p>Hi stat push, what a concept of &#8220;free range scn org&#8221;! We could even have<br />
organic, genetically unmodified orgs! Pure LRH, with all the goodies that<br />
go along with that.</p>
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		By: XClassVStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2306&quot;&gt;Jane Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s a darn good question, Jane.
I suspect what happens is due to the withhold nature of the situation, that org or mission or group is going to follow through the whole overt cycle and justify what they&#039;re being told. I know it seems ludicrous, but here&#039;s an example of what I observed at Tampa.
They had a GIANT St Hill Sized trophy on display, but the OIC had nowhere near St Hill Size stats.
There were times you could arrive at the org during production hours and either have no one at the reception desk, or a teenage staff member who was having an idle conversation with another teen staff memeber and they would both ignore you for minutes if you let them.
The number of public on Acad Levels at the time was 4 or 5. They had a couple of M1 co-audits and about 3 Obj co-audits.
Despite claims of great staff pay, most of the staff were still moonlighting and the ones who admitted it were making between $30 and $100 a week.
Yet, when I would ask them questions re How could this be considered St Hill Size, they had it all justified out and threw out the catch phrases of &quot;Ideal Org&quot; and &quot;Make/Break for OUR org&quot; a lot, while also talking about how &quot;absolutes were unobtainable&quot; implying there was always room for improvement.
Just pure and utter blindness to their own situation.]]></description>
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<p>That&#8217;s a darn good question, Jane.<br />
I suspect what happens is due to the withhold nature of the situation, that org or mission or group is going to follow through the whole overt cycle and justify what they&#8217;re being told. I know it seems ludicrous, but here&#8217;s an example of what I observed at Tampa.<br />
They had a GIANT St Hill Sized trophy on display, but the OIC had nowhere near St Hill Size stats.<br />
There were times you could arrive at the org during production hours and either have no one at the reception desk, or a teenage staff member who was having an idle conversation with another teen staff memeber and they would both ignore you for minutes if you let them.<br />
The number of public on Acad Levels at the time was 4 or 5. They had a couple of M1 co-audits and about 3 Obj co-audits.<br />
Despite claims of great staff pay, most of the staff were still moonlighting and the ones who admitted it were making between $30 and $100 a week.<br />
Yet, when I would ask them questions re How could this be considered St Hill Size, they had it all justified out and threw out the catch phrases of &#8220;Ideal Org&#8221; and &#8220;Make/Break for OUR org&#8221; a lot, while also talking about how &#8220;absolutes were unobtainable&#8221; implying there was always room for improvement.<br />
Just pure and utter blindness to their own situation.</p>
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		By: XClassVStaff		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2325</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2304&quot;&gt;Schorsch&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course you&#039;re right, Schorsch. A CLO has access to all their orgs&#039; stats, so putting the pieces together would have been simple. But it makes sense that if there are stat pushes at the top of the org board (i.e. DM), they will roll all the way down through all of CofS.]]></description>
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<p>Of course you&#8217;re right, Schorsch. A CLO has access to all their orgs&#8217; stats, so putting the pieces together would have been simple. But it makes sense that if there are stat pushes at the top of the org board (i.e. DM), they will roll all the way down through all of CofS.</p>
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		By: XClassVStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2303&quot;&gt;statpush&lt;/a&gt;.

That would be a beautiful thing, Statpush. What Dani Lemberger pulled off was impressive. I don&#039;t know what it would take to do something like that in the U.S.
Even if there were an org with the chutzpah to pull it off, I think their next challenge would be trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff in regards to all the arbitraries put on the line since GAT was released. And just shaking their minds free of the Vulture Culture (as Mike puts it) that gets ingrained in your brain.]]></description>
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<p>That would be a beautiful thing, Statpush. What Dani Lemberger pulled off was impressive. I don&#8217;t know what it would take to do something like that in the U.S.<br />
Even if there were an org with the chutzpah to pull it off, I think their next challenge would be trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff in regards to all the arbitraries put on the line since GAT was released. And just shaking their minds free of the Vulture Culture (as Mike puts it) that gets ingrained in your brain.</p>
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		By: XClassVStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2302&quot;&gt;Anette Iren Johansen (OT22)&lt;/a&gt;.

Lol, yep.]]></description>
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<p>Lol, yep.</p>
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		By: XClassVStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2300&quot;&gt;Cindy Pinsonnault&lt;/a&gt;.

Same was true for our org, Cindy. Even though BIS was flatlined over a 20 year period, we&#039;d still eke out BDG points by playing off the 3 and 6 week trends. Our senior execs played the system and pushed other staff to do so as well. So, for example, if you needed two more BIS to be &quot;Up on a 3&quot; we had fall back public we could call to come in and do a tape play. They might come in on Thursday before 2pm and listen to a tape for 5 min over their lunch break.  But of course, this in no way reflected any actual growth on the part of our org.
The subject of stats and trends is grossly mis-used in CofS. But in large part, that&#039;s because it&#039;s all become a big PR game!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2300">Cindy Pinsonnault</a>.</p>
<p>Same was true for our org, Cindy. Even though BIS was flatlined over a 20 year period, we&#8217;d still eke out BDG points by playing off the 3 and 6 week trends. Our senior execs played the system and pushed other staff to do so as well. So, for example, if you needed two more BIS to be &#8220;Up on a 3&#8221; we had fall back public we could call to come in and do a tape play. They might come in on Thursday before 2pm and listen to a tape for 5 min over their lunch break.  But of course, this in no way reflected any actual growth on the part of our org.<br />
The subject of stats and trends is grossly mis-used in CofS. But in large part, that&#8217;s because it&#8217;s all become a big PR game!</p>
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		By: XClassVStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2299&quot;&gt;Lars asplund&lt;/a&gt;.

Too true, Lars.
I can&#039;t imagine DM is very good at perceiving the consequences his actions have on all the people who support him. He is stuck in Feudalistic times, lording over everyone who still grants him power.
It can only go badly for him in the end, but meanwhile, 1000&#039;s of staff and public suffer for DM&#039;s arbitrary reasons.]]></description>
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<p>Too true, Lars.<br />
I can&#8217;t imagine DM is very good at perceiving the consequences his actions have on all the people who support him. He is stuck in Feudalistic times, lording over everyone who still grants him power.<br />
It can only go badly for him in the end, but meanwhile, 1000&#8217;s of staff and public suffer for DM&#8217;s arbitrary reasons.</p>
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		By: XClassVStaff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 15:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-long-term-class-v-staff-perspective/#comment-2297&quot;&gt;Mreppen&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ll bet you have some very interesting stories, Mreppen. It&#039;d be great to hear more.
And I couldn&#039;t agree more. Cl V Org Staff are some of the hardest working, most underappreciated people on the planet.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ll bet you have some very interesting stories, Mreppen. It&#8217;d be great to hear more.<br />
And I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Cl V Org Staff are some of the hardest working, most underappreciated people on the planet.</p>
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