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		By: Scientology &#8220;Arbitration&#8221;: They make up the rules as they go along		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2022 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] on earth knows that is NOT an &#8220;arbitration.&#8221; (See my earlier posts on this: A Scientology Committee of Evidence is NOT Arbitration, Concerning Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221;, Shameful Scientology &#8220;Religious [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] on earth knows that is NOT an &#8220;arbitration.&#8221; (See my earlier posts on this: A Scientology Committee of Evidence is NOT Arbitration, Concerning Scientology &#8220;Religious Arbitration&#8221;, Shameful Scientology &#8220;Religious [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Linda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 04:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A religious organization does not have absolute or general immunity.

https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/schools/law/lawreviews/journals/bclawr/44_4/07_FMS.htm#:~:text=Abstract%3A%20Although%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution,for%20their%20contracts%20and%20torts.&#038;text=A%20general%20assertion%20of%20the,a%20claim%20against%20the%20institution.

DM is in for a ride awakening when Judges do their due diligence &#038; hold him and all the others accountable for their actions.

I pray that the US Supreme Court takes Haney v Scientology. I have read the request for certiorari, the letter from legal professors, and response from scientology. Their response was repetitive and poorly written, in my opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A religious organization does not have absolute or general immunity.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/schools/law/lawreviews/journals/bclawr/44_4/07_FMS.htm#:~:text=Abstract%3A%20Although%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution,for%20their%20contracts%20and%20torts.&#038;text=A%20general%20assertion%20of%20the,a%20claim%20against%20the%20institution" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/schools/law/lawreviews/journals/bclawr/44_4/07_FMS.htm#:~:text=Abstract%3A%20Although%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution,for%20their%20contracts%20and%20torts.&#038;text=A%20general%20assertion%20of%20the,a%20claim%20against%20the%20institution</a>.</p>
<p>DM is in for a ride awakening when Judges do their due diligence &amp; hold him and all the others accountable for their actions.</p>
<p>I pray that the US Supreme Court takes Haney v Scientology. I have read the request for certiorari, the letter from legal professors, and response from scientology. Their response was repetitive and poorly written, in my opinion.</p>
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		By: Gene Trujillo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Trujillo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2021 19:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399683&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

When I was at Flag for the Golden Age of Tech training in 1996 SO staff who were considered obese were not allowed to eat with the crew but were forced on a low calorie diet if they wanted to or not. I seem to recall one guy getting into repeated trouble for breaking diet, it was considered an &quot;ethics&quot; offense. 

Not for the person&#039;s health, but because being obese was considered &quot;Out PR&quot;, meaning the SO felt that their obesity reflected poorly on the church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399683">Bruce Ploetz</a>.</p>
<p>When I was at Flag for the Golden Age of Tech training in 1996 SO staff who were considered obese were not allowed to eat with the crew but were forced on a low calorie diet if they wanted to or not. I seem to recall one guy getting into repeated trouble for breaking diet, it was considered an &#8220;ethics&#8221; offense. </p>
<p>Not for the person&#8217;s health, but because being obese was considered &#8220;Out PR&#8221;, meaning the SO felt that their obesity reflected poorly on the church.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyx75-03		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2021 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-400209&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m already lost in two earlier court Scientology v. United States cases, trying to see the enduring points of her paper.   

If life were only longer to do more study of things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-400209">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m already lost in two earlier court Scientology v. United States cases, trying to see the enduring points of her paper.   </p>
<p>If life were only longer to do more study of things.</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2021 04:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-400156&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyx75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Ms. Taylor Holley has done an amazing amount of research, analysis, and outstanding writing. Definitely worth a study, as you are doing.]]></description>
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<p>Ms. Taylor Holley has done an amazing amount of research, analysis, and outstanding writing. Definitely worth a study, as you are doing.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyx75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyx75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 19:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399694&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, getting the preordained &quot;guilty&quot; staff to the penalty box, the RPF for Sea Org members, was paramount.

Then, once on the RPF, and once you showed pliability and wllingness to play dedicated Sea Org member again, you could petition or request a Review Comm Ev, or a Board of Review.

I advised seveal PAC Sea Org members on that course.

Some persons just took the demeaning punishment, I did, and I knew it was all bogus in comparison to outside world understanding of all things Hubbard and Scientology.   

The outside world has always smelled a rat in Hubbard&#039;s operation, so to me, doing the RPF was more a retreat from the Hubbard crap mess in total, I&#039;d &quot;suffer&quot; and then eventually get the hell out of the whole Scientology mess.   I reasoned that if future lives are real, then us immortal souls have a long long ways to go, and just being in the RPF &quot;this lifetime&quot; for a short time, is nothing compared to the long distant future lives we all inevitably will live, LOL.   I had my doubts anyways, as what in the end of the RPF for me, when it came time to really quit, and &quot;route out&quot; was my realization all our past lives confessions were just our imaginations.   I felt great realizing it was all past lives imagination, and not real, just bogus self fantasy.

Scientology has so many problematic parts there&#039;s nothing that much good, other than what people bring to it.   You bring to Scientology any good found in it.   

Hubbard&#039;s false promises and his end of life dismal state of mind show the falseness of his own subject to even himself, let alone all those betrayed by Hubbard&#039;s false promises.  

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Midway in my Sea Org career, when I was in the Senior HCO Int branch, i learned either there, or a few years earlier, remember Lynn Visk, Karen?

Lynn was Chairman on a Comm Ev, and I was Secretary, and Lynn walked me through some key Hubbard loopholes that our Comm Ev applied in the favor of the person our Comm Ev was nailing.   

Older Apollo outspoken Sea Org member vets like Lynn, knew the loophole ropes, since Lynn was in the old Apollo era SO 1 Unit answering letters to LRH, including those petition question letters to LRH&#060; where Lynn, used to answer for LRH, and tell these requesting Scientologists to try the various LRH loophole policies.

So from Hubbard&#039;s policy loopholes, to old hands like Lynn, I picked up first these loopholes.

Hubbard wrote the loopholes, and SO 1 Unit letter answerers told the woe begotten Scientologists what options they had to rectify injustices that always befall Scientologists.

Ah, the number of history details of the long Hubbard debris trail of false hopes the members were given by Hubbard to wend their ways up the Hubbard stepladder of paid for enlightenment, is just sick.

Glad to have quit, and quitting faster once in the Scientology mess, is always the best course.  

It&#039;s disheartening, every moment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399694">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, getting the preordained &#8220;guilty&#8221; staff to the penalty box, the RPF for Sea Org members, was paramount.</p>
<p>Then, once on the RPF, and once you showed pliability and wllingness to play dedicated Sea Org member again, you could petition or request a Review Comm Ev, or a Board of Review.</p>
<p>I advised seveal PAC Sea Org members on that course.</p>
<p>Some persons just took the demeaning punishment, I did, and I knew it was all bogus in comparison to outside world understanding of all things Hubbard and Scientology.   </p>
<p>The outside world has always smelled a rat in Hubbard&#8217;s operation, so to me, doing the RPF was more a retreat from the Hubbard crap mess in total, I&#8217;d &#8220;suffer&#8221; and then eventually get the hell out of the whole Scientology mess.   I reasoned that if future lives are real, then us immortal souls have a long long ways to go, and just being in the RPF &#8220;this lifetime&#8221; for a short time, is nothing compared to the long distant future lives we all inevitably will live, LOL.   I had my doubts anyways, as what in the end of the RPF for me, when it came time to really quit, and &#8220;route out&#8221; was my realization all our past lives confessions were just our imaginations.   I felt great realizing it was all past lives imagination, and not real, just bogus self fantasy.</p>
<p>Scientology has so many problematic parts there&#8217;s nothing that much good, other than what people bring to it.   You bring to Scientology any good found in it.   </p>
<p>Hubbard&#8217;s false promises and his end of life dismal state of mind show the falseness of his own subject to even himself, let alone all those betrayed by Hubbard&#8217;s false promises.  </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Midway in my Sea Org career, when I was in the Senior HCO Int branch, i learned either there, or a few years earlier, remember Lynn Visk, Karen?</p>
<p>Lynn was Chairman on a Comm Ev, and I was Secretary, and Lynn walked me through some key Hubbard loopholes that our Comm Ev applied in the favor of the person our Comm Ev was nailing.   </p>
<p>Older Apollo outspoken Sea Org member vets like Lynn, knew the loophole ropes, since Lynn was in the old Apollo era SO 1 Unit answering letters to LRH, including those petition question letters to LRH&lt; where Lynn, used to answer for LRH, and tell these requesting Scientologists to try the various LRH loophole policies.</p>
<p>So from Hubbard&#039;s policy loopholes, to old hands like Lynn, I picked up first these loopholes.</p>
<p>Hubbard wrote the loopholes, and SO 1 Unit letter answerers told the woe begotten Scientologists what options they had to rectify injustices that always befall Scientologists.</p>
<p>Ah, the number of history details of the long Hubbard debris trail of false hopes the members were given by Hubbard to wend their ways up the Hubbard stepladder of paid for enlightenment, is just sick.</p>
<p>Glad to have quit, and quitting faster once in the Scientology mess, is always the best course.  </p>
<p>It&#039;s disheartening, every moment.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyx75to03		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-400153&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyx75to03.&lt;/a&gt;.

page 8 further:

&quot;....The rationale behind this legislative decision is that because the organizations inherently confer public benefit, no justification exists for the government to tax them and spend those funds on pubic projects, when the organizations are already providing and funding public benefits on their own accord...&quot;  (footnote 64  Church of Scientology of California v. Comm&#039;r (Scientology II), 823 F.2nd 1310, 1316 (9th Cir. 1987).                                                           

ditto, I&#039;d need to fully study that decision footnoted, and all related similar legal decisions bearing on this point, and understand if present Scientology does fit these criteria.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-400153">chuckbeattyx75to03.</a>.</p>
<p>page 8 further:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.The rationale behind this legislative decision is that because the organizations inherently confer public benefit, no justification exists for the government to tax them and spend those funds on pubic projects, when the organizations are already providing and funding public benefits on their own accord&#8230;&#8221;  (footnote 64  Church of Scientology of California v. Comm&#8217;r (Scientology II), 823 F.2nd 1310, 1316 (9th Cir. 1987).                                                           </p>
<p>ditto, I&#8217;d need to fully study that decision footnoted, and all related similar legal decisions bearing on this point, and understand if present Scientology does fit these criteria.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 18:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399804&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

Peridot,

First major sub reading assignment I now have to get into.

On page 8 of Taylor C. Holley&#039;s excellent paper, paragraph 3,  she writes:


&quot;....Congress extended tax exemption to organizations meeting certain charitable criteria...&quot;     (footnote 63 Harding Hosp., Inc. v. United States, 505 F.2nd 1068, 1071 (6th Cir. 1974)


This, Peridot, is what I was hinting at, which is one needs to go much deeper into the whole IRS tax criteria history, which are extended by Congress.

The whole US Congress granting exemption history, that is a whole series I believe of law study courses to get up to really expert tax law expertise.

I&#039;m thinking of all US legal cases all relevant, and on Congressional history on IRS tax exemption, in complete history detail.

That to me would be the knowledge study I was thinking one needs to do.

I&#039;ll be on this now, for a few hours or days, my first detour to understand this, we&#039;ll see how far I get before giving it up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399804">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>Peridot,</p>
<p>First major sub reading assignment I now have to get into.</p>
<p>On page 8 of Taylor C. Holley&#8217;s excellent paper, paragraph 3,  she writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.Congress extended tax exemption to organizations meeting certain charitable criteria&#8230;&#8221;     (footnote 63 Harding Hosp., Inc. v. United States, 505 F.2nd 1068, 1071 (6th Cir. 1974)</p>
<p>This, Peridot, is what I was hinting at, which is one needs to go much deeper into the whole IRS tax criteria history, which are extended by Congress.</p>
<p>The whole US Congress granting exemption history, that is a whole series I believe of law study courses to get up to really expert tax law expertise.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of all US legal cases all relevant, and on Congressional history on IRS tax exemption, in complete history detail.</p>
<p>That to me would be the knowledge study I was thinking one needs to do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be on this now, for a few hours or days, my first detour to understand this, we&#8217;ll see how far I get before giving it up.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyx75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399804&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent Peridot.   Now I have to hibernate for a week, reading this paper, and all of the cited footnote articles to it.
I wish there were more time, as to patiently read all this, isn&#039;t a one day process for me.  It&#039;ll be a week&#039;s worth of reading.
But endless thanks.   Here goes into it all.  
Thankyou!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399804">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>Excellent Peridot.   Now I have to hibernate for a week, reading this paper, and all of the cited footnote articles to it.<br />
I wish there were more time, as to patiently read all this, isn&#8217;t a one day process for me.  It&#8217;ll be a week&#8217;s worth of reading.<br />
But endless thanks.   Here goes into it all.<br />
Thankyou!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyx75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 16:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399781&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Ghostbusting, exorcism, pretty close subjects.   Getting rid of ghosts/bodiless souls out and about, or exorcism of ghosts-surplus-souls infesting in and around a person&#039;s human body.

The concept of the soul, being the conscious &quot;thing&quot; that we are, as a sort of soul astronaut that can pop out of our human shell body, and navigate out and about in the universe, is what Scientology believes is reality of our human predicament.

Scientology believes we as souls have this soul flying capability which Scientology&#039;s L Rundown pseudo-therapy claims will result in soul flying.  It doesn&#039;t, and May Sue&#039;s failure to ever soul fly even after she complained to Hubbard she&#039;d never had that soul flying experience, was why Hubbard had Otto Roos give Mary Sue the best quackery Hubbard ever developed to pop someone out of their body and soul fly successfully.

It&#039;s hallucination, and some person&#039;s are more capable of having that hallucination, is all.

It&#039;s not real, but it&#039;s a free speech issue to claim this soul flying is real.  

&quot;reality is agreement&quot; per Hubbard.

It&#039;s just such a looping racket of words misuse that Hubbard/Scientology loop around within.  

&quot;MU&quot; indeed.   Allowed free speech MU that isn&#039;t illegal to claim.  That&#039;s Hubbard/Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-scientology-committee-of-evidence-is-not-arbitration/#comment-399781">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Ghostbusting, exorcism, pretty close subjects.   Getting rid of ghosts/bodiless souls out and about, or exorcism of ghosts-surplus-souls infesting in and around a person&#8217;s human body.</p>
<p>The concept of the soul, being the conscious &#8220;thing&#8221; that we are, as a sort of soul astronaut that can pop out of our human shell body, and navigate out and about in the universe, is what Scientology believes is reality of our human predicament.</p>
<p>Scientology believes we as souls have this soul flying capability which Scientology&#8217;s L Rundown pseudo-therapy claims will result in soul flying.  It doesn&#8217;t, and May Sue&#8217;s failure to ever soul fly even after she complained to Hubbard she&#8217;d never had that soul flying experience, was why Hubbard had Otto Roos give Mary Sue the best quackery Hubbard ever developed to pop someone out of their body and soul fly successfully.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hallucination, and some person&#8217;s are more capable of having that hallucination, is all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not real, but it&#8217;s a free speech issue to claim this soul flying is real.  </p>
<p>&#8220;reality is agreement&#8221; per Hubbard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just such a looping racket of words misuse that Hubbard/Scientology loop around within.  </p>
<p>&#8220;MU&#8221; indeed.   Allowed free speech MU that isn&#8217;t illegal to claim.  That&#8217;s Hubbard/Scientology.</p>
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