JB — you’re describing the wins and overall attitudes of Scientologists that I knew in 1972 to 1975, when I first got in. These people were a) generally older and had life experience before finding SCN, b) were trained and loved that they were and had the ability to help someone at any time and c) were having wins and gains based on realistic expectations and desires. They wanted to relate to their then 22 year-old son. They wanted to improve their marriage or rekindle life with their spouse. They didn’t want to struggle at work anymore and be able to pursue a career that made them happy.

Personally I walked out of a drug-induced haze in NYC and expected Sci-Fi characters talking nonsense. Well, the only one talking nonsense was me — for a while longer that is. It was exactly what I needed, A great big dose of common sense and compassion. I had total strangers listening to me for hours over a cup of coffee. We discussed reality in it’s many forms, using some of the words we hear today, but it felt more grounded in truth.

Have you ever walked into a conversation that others were having, two-thirds of the way through and honestly thought they were discussing the 2D and how society needed to lighten up. When in fact they were discussing baseball and how the Mets had zero chance at winning the pennant.

That’s what it sounds like to me when I catch these testimonials. These people entered SCN two-thirds of the way past the real Basics and never got what the subject was really about.

Odd

Interesting story, Espiritu. My little “add-on” took place in 2005 when I was doing my OT V at AOLA. I would literally be coming out of the examiner’s room with shoes in hand, a) mentally coping with the examiner’s interminable delays in calling an F/N and b) trying to regain the momentum of my wins and cogs, when I’d be confronted by an IAS reg wanting to see me about becoming a Patron.

It felt extremely invasive and totally unreal to me. Like an attorney being the first person you saw after coming out of the operating room. “Mr. Jones, may I please have your signature on this Power of Attorney. Let me help you hold the pen.”

To me their behavior was in a way, psychotic, in that is was disassociated with everything that was taking place. They had zero sense of decorum, manners or awareness of what any of their “Targets” were going through at that moment. Their wins were ONLY a precursor to an easier close. That’s all it meant.

Good point.

Odd

lol zana..@ “gurgle gurgle gurgle” funny but true. SMV Scientology is below the water line and only life boats with deranged survivors with delusions of still sailing happily in grand style with musicians on deck playing and champagne glasses clinking away. “We’re doing GREAT!!!!!!”
I believe you are correct that the brand is toast for the next 50-75 years at least.. Too many betrayals, too many people ruined utterly. Perhaps when this current generation is long gone and the outrageous exploits and explosions and dismantling of Scientology is a distant memory, someone will be forwarding the more worthwhile technical aspects of the subject and quietly call it something else so as not to enrage those who have better memories and hopefully they choose never to dredge up Hubbard’s name in association with it. I think that name has done quite enough smashing into history for the time being.

Yes, indeedy Jethro.

“I know I am the creator of all universes”
“I can see that I will survive for an eternity, and every eternity after that”
“I was totally exterior with full perceptions and saw my entire whole track”
“I can create universe after universe anytime I want”
“I’m no longer the effect of my case”
“I created and destroyed seven universes before breakfast this morning”
“My case is in a different universe”
“I can see other people’s case”

Compare this to real/tangible wins, such as:

How about getting in good physical shape? (that means you, Krusty Alley)
How about having a good marriage?
How about you’re kids doing well?
How about doing well at your job?
How about achieving something that really helps people?
How about building a successful business?
How about helping another person that involves more than getting out your credit card?

These kind of wins might seem more “mundane”, but they seemed to be lost by those in the koolaid-filled bubble. It’s easier to just donate more money to one of the COB-approved scams, and to delude oneself about becoming more “OT”. Does anyone remember Howard Becker or Michael Roberts or Jeff Pomerantz talk about the “IAS Grade Chart”, i.e. one gets “fourth dynamic case gain” by maxing out one’s credit cards? Since you have no money left over for actual grade chart actions, you might as well believe in that BS. The “IAS Grade Chart” is just another lie designed to separate you from your hard-earned money.

The bubble is cozy as a mother’s womb, since no one has to confront anything difficult (does David Miscavige really beat his staff?), and everyone is allowed to “create their own reality”, no matter how ludicrous it is.

Joe,

Nothing wrong with stating your view. Nor mine on which we can agree or disagree which is the great thing of being outside of the fascist confines of the Church of Stupidology 😉

Technically it does exist as stated by a definite cognition and meter phenomenon accompanying it.

And showing you the beef only applies to tangible items like an In&Out Burger. Not a *subjective* state.

Afreakinmen MG. The biggest thing I had to get rid of was my “arrogant righteous judgmental way of viewing the world and the people in it.” A little humility goes a long way in the world and reality sucks when it bites you in the ass whether in Scientology or the real world. I am so glad I relearned how to act like a person and am forever grateful to the people in my life today who love me and who I love so dearly. I never want to unlearn that. Thanks for sharing how I feel. And Coop, I think that’s what unreleased OTIX is – ensuring that it will not occur again.