Your guess is as good as mine on this one Cindy. It would not surprise me…

Actually, Hubbard had policy that was changed by DM. Hubbard allowed Sea Org members to have children. Miscavige changed that. For these past 38 years, Sea Org members could have been having children and, given the young age at which SO members marry, grandhildren, born right into the Sea Org. Think how many more “born in” Sea Org members there would be had Miscavige not forbidden his members from having children.

Now, I’m NOT implying that children and babies were well cared for back when they were allowed to be conceived and born! The system of caring for babies and small children was beyond awful, so I’m not defending THAT.

I’m merely pointing out that allowing Sea Org members to marry but procreate was – is – of itself, non survival to the Sea Org.

TaKE the example of the Roman Catholic Church a thousand years ago. The powers that be forbid priests and nuns to marry and have children but boy did they ever make the point that everybody else should.

“Be fruitful and multiply” was drummed IN. To marry and have LOTS of children was Godly, its what GOD wanted everyone except priests and nuns to do.

Listen, I’m not saying that this was RIGHT.

I’m just pointing out that the powers that be who ran the RC church back then put all their weight behind the maxim to be fruitful and multiply, because it made SENSE for the survival of the organization.

Whereas, forbidding Sea Org members from having children, coupling and uncoupling them, (however legally via marriage and divorce and however expedient these would be any given time) like barnyard animals, and then encouraging abortion when a pregnancy occurs are policies totally anathema to the survival of the Sea Org as an organization. That’s my only point.

Mike, a quick question please: So when the church is counting the number of people “on or through OT VII” do they count the same person twice cuz this person did OT VII the first time, completed it and then was re-called to do it again when Davey ordered all to get back on the level to re-do OT VII?

Duly noted, thanks, Mike. But then this could mean that they’re including OTVIIs who’ve been declared/disconnected from as well. Like Newcomer and Cindy and heaven knows how many others.! Not to mention those were were “on or through” when they, ahem, “dropped their bodies” like Kirstie Alley, Kelly Preston and Lisa Marie Presley.

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I am not having your experience, on this blog, I feel opinions are welcome. I think that Scientology is a cult, Hubbard created a lot of bad things, alongside good tech, like ARC, and some stuff, up until OT sadly most things were taken to extremes, by Miscavige. Logically, Miscavige is an SP. Since scio is a Cult, they should pay taxes, and the abuse most stop. Kind regards Kim

“I am clearly to not popular with the many Scio or Hubbard loyalists posting here…” I seem to recall that, maybe, one or two sheepbots raise their heads above the parapets once or twice a month and fairly swiftly slink off once they don’t get the responses they expect.

Just about everyone who posts here is not popular with $camologists.

If they are disagreeing with something you wrote you get a email when they reply to your comment informing you that somebody has responded.

Except for Scientology and offshoots, and Hare Krishnas, I only really know of Japanese or Japanese-origin cults.

Aum’s remnant Aleph is still going, but no public presence like the days when they were doing public dances, selling tapes of ambient music, and running nerve-gas attacks.

Number 1 is Soka Gakkai, they claim ten million in Japan alone, and it seems true, they have a political party which reflects that number. Also many overseas. At least if you aren’t ‘in’, members will try to recruit, but are also capable of sane conversation if not interested. They pretend to be Buddhist.

2. Shin Nyo En, garden of the new nymphs

Unfortunately got a little tamgled in it, it has Scientology-adjacent features, the recruiter seems a friend, but just wants to pass personal info. to the next-level person, who is supposed to surprise you by knowing many of your secrets, I saw through the game and cut any association just before that point.
They also pretend to be Buddhist.

They, too, are far bigger than Scn., at least two million.

3. Mahikari, or pure light
Don’t know how big they are, but they make no pretense of Buddhism. They have such teachings as blessing rocks and soft toys one may carry. My only contact with them was, before I knew they existed, seeing many foreign people on the trains to the same destination, but Mahikari is popular. After alighting from the train, it was clear that a cult gathering was in progress. All the radiant pod-people faces.

The cheap business hotel I’d planned to stay in had been knocked down, everywhere was full. Finally found a double-room vacancy, the staff assumed I must be one of the pod-people, but I asked them why the place was so crowded, one said ‘Mahikari, so-called festival’, and pronouncing ‘mahikari’ like a curse. Turns out that the town is host to the Mahikari world centre. Ugly building on the other side of the railway tracks. Bad timing on my part, it was their annual festival.

I agree with the diagnosis, Scientology is far past its peak, and into decline.

As a real-estate empire though, all of those massive extortions of fees in the past gave it a massive capital base. Membership may fall, but they now own downtown Clearwater in Florida and, it seems, East Grinstead in England.

Here in Tokyo, they have a new building. Really, nobody is aware of them, and the first exercise doesn’t work on people with expressionless eyes (except for tears), so it is hard to see how they can gain converts.

I am clearly to not popular with the many Scio or Hubbard loyalists posting here, but the site is not good as far as posting and list system, when they are disagreeing, I never see it, except perhaps once in passing.

From that, never after, just vanishes.