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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2023 14:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520163&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine,

Thank you. It&#039;s a pleasure, as always.

Mary Sue Hubbard: in many ways, a martyr to &quot;The Bridge to Total Freedom&quot;; she sacrificed almost everything for the &quot;cause.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520163">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine,</p>
<p>Thank you. It&#8217;s a pleasure, as always.</p>
<p>Mary Sue Hubbard: in many ways, a martyr to &#8220;The Bridge to Total Freedom&#8221;; she sacrificed almost everything for the &#8220;cause.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520136&quot;&gt;Fred Haseney&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Fred.  Of course, everyone was (and continually is) lied to in Scientology, and LRH&#039;s kids were now exception; in fact strong evidence exists that LRH himself was totally lied to in his final years.  There&#039;s no blame that can be fairly and justly given.
The whole system was rotten to the core and from that viewpoint Mary Sue and her children were casualties of it as were many others.

 I suppose I&#039;m just conflicted about her.  About Mary Sue.

 On the one hand as head of the Guardian office she was LRH&#039;s chief enabler and enforcer of his suppressive policies and thus deserved all the punishment she got. What she did, what she countenanced under her watch, was despicable and beyond rotten and dirty.

But on the other hand, she was a woman, she loved her husband, believed in him and showed incredible strength of character by never ratting him out, while at the same time enduring the weight of her vilification and castigation by everyone including her own kids.  Enduring this while at the same time very likely still in intense albeit grief over the loss of Quentin and, no small thing - being ignored and shunned by and out of communication with her cowardly husband...such pain and loss, such emotional cruelty, such injustice, all of which she bore, alone.  She was strong, amazingly strong, inside.  For that strength I admire her very much.

Yes, conflicted :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520136">Fred Haseney</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Fred.  Of course, everyone was (and continually is) lied to in Scientology, and LRH&#8217;s kids were now exception; in fact strong evidence exists that LRH himself was totally lied to in his final years.  There&#8217;s no blame that can be fairly and justly given.<br />
The whole system was rotten to the core and from that viewpoint Mary Sue and her children were casualties of it as were many others.</p>
<p> I suppose I&#8217;m just conflicted about her.  About Mary Sue.</p>
<p> On the one hand as head of the Guardian office she was LRH&#8217;s chief enabler and enforcer of his suppressive policies and thus deserved all the punishment she got. What she did, what she countenanced under her watch, was despicable and beyond rotten and dirty.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, she was a woman, she loved her husband, believed in him and showed incredible strength of character by never ratting him out, while at the same time enduring the weight of her vilification and castigation by everyone including her own kids.  Enduring this while at the same time very likely still in intense albeit grief over the loss of Quentin and, no small thing &#8211; being ignored and shunned by and out of communication with her cowardly husband&#8230;such pain and loss, such emotional cruelty, such injustice, all of which she bore, alone.  She was strong, amazingly strong, inside.  For that strength I admire her very much.</p>
<p>Yes, conflicted 🙂</p>
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		By: Ammo Alamo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 16:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Possibly forever lamenting whatever involvement he may have had, if I recall correctly Mike was close to the scene when Scientology strong-armed the IRS Commissioner and his agents into handing over the non-profit churchly tax exemption.  People in the cherch today probably don&#039;t even know that Hubbard&#039;s Church of Scientology once operated under the official US IRS religious non-profit tax exemption back, in the 1950s.  The IRS took it away from a very unhappy Scientology due to Hubbard&#039;s excessive enurement of cherch monies. (Enurement, or inurement, is the practice of one or more individuals at the top taking too much of the organization&#039;s assets for their personal use. )

This second time around the IRS gave Scientology strict directives - a five year plan, I think - about how they were to behave to prove they deserved the exemption.  As part of that deal, Scientology was relieved of most of the huge burden of unpaid back taxes.

Did Scientology keep their end of the deal?  That I do not know for sure, but I believe one of our stalwart critics of the cherch has explained it, somewhere on the web.   In any event, Scientology took Hubbard&#039;s Fair Game to its limits to secure the second-time-around not-for-profit tax exemption.  Despite a Supreme Court decision about the cherch being a fee-for-services business, Scientology has used the non-profit exemption to convince themselves and others that they really are a religion, and every critic who mentions otherwise is nothing but a Biggut of the wurst sort.

BTW, there&#039;s nothing to see here.  Might as well skip over today&#039;s blog.  It is nothing but Really Olde Gnus.  Those people who did something, or anything, or maybe nothing, all got kicked out of the cherch a Really Long Time Ago, unless they had a lot of money, and today Scientology remains The Most Ethical Group On The Planet.  
They couldn&#039;t say it if it weren&#039;t true, right?

p.s. apologies to Mike for any inaccuracies, I got too wound up taking a cat to the vet to check sources deeply.today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly forever lamenting whatever involvement he may have had, if I recall correctly Mike was close to the scene when Scientology strong-armed the IRS Commissioner and his agents into handing over the non-profit churchly tax exemption.  People in the cherch today probably don&#8217;t even know that Hubbard&#8217;s Church of Scientology once operated under the official US IRS religious non-profit tax exemption back, in the 1950s.  The IRS took it away from a very unhappy Scientology due to Hubbard&#8217;s excessive enurement of cherch monies. (Enurement, or inurement, is the practice of one or more individuals at the top taking too much of the organization&#8217;s assets for their personal use. )</p>
<p>This second time around the IRS gave Scientology strict directives &#8211; a five year plan, I think &#8211; about how they were to behave to prove they deserved the exemption.  As part of that deal, Scientology was relieved of most of the huge burden of unpaid back taxes.</p>
<p>Did Scientology keep their end of the deal?  That I do not know for sure, but I believe one of our stalwart critics of the cherch has explained it, somewhere on the web.   In any event, Scientology took Hubbard&#8217;s Fair Game to its limits to secure the second-time-around not-for-profit tax exemption.  Despite a Supreme Court decision about the cherch being a fee-for-services business, Scientology has used the non-profit exemption to convince themselves and others that they really are a religion, and every critic who mentions otherwise is nothing but a Biggut of the wurst sort.</p>
<p>BTW, there&#8217;s nothing to see here.  Might as well skip over today&#8217;s blog.  It is nothing but Really Olde Gnus.  Those people who did something, or anything, or maybe nothing, all got kicked out of the cherch a Really Long Time Ago, unless they had a lot of money, and today Scientology remains The Most Ethical Group On The Planet.<br />
They couldn&#8217;t say it if it weren&#8217;t true, right?</p>
<p>p.s. apologies to Mike for any inaccuracies, I got too wound up taking a cat to the vet to check sources deeply.today.</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 13:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520087&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine,

Your points are spot-on!

Back in 2014, when the news broke of the death of Mary Sue Hubbard&#039;s beloved dog, however, I knew nothing of what you noted, absolutely nothing. That&#039;s because I had been given the whitewashed scientology story, the one that all Scientologists in Good Standing know and understand: that Diana, Suzette and Arthur loved their parents and were dedicated Sea Org members; that MSH (Hubbard&#039;s second wife) loved LRH (and likewise), and had dedicated the next billion years to serving her husband and her church; that one&#039;s children and husband (part of the Second Dynamic) are more important than a pet (part of the Fifth Dynamic); that anything bad or negative ever said or written about LRH, MSH or scientology came from Suppressive Persons who cared nothing about helping mankind.

I left scientology in August 2014: it&#039;s funny how a scientologist&#039;s perspective (i.e. the whitewashed scientology story) can change almost overnight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520087">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine,</p>
<p>Your points are spot-on!</p>
<p>Back in 2014, when the news broke of the death of Mary Sue Hubbard&#8217;s beloved dog, however, I knew nothing of what you noted, absolutely nothing. That&#8217;s because I had been given the whitewashed scientology story, the one that all Scientologists in Good Standing know and understand: that Diana, Suzette and Arthur loved their parents and were dedicated Sea Org members; that MSH (Hubbard&#8217;s second wife) loved LRH (and likewise), and had dedicated the next billion years to serving her husband and her church; that one&#8217;s children and husband (part of the Second Dynamic) are more important than a pet (part of the Fifth Dynamic); that anything bad or negative ever said or written about LRH, MSH or scientology came from Suppressive Persons who cared nothing about helping mankind.</p>
<p>I left scientology in August 2014: it&#8217;s funny how a scientologist&#8217;s perspective (i.e. the whitewashed scientology story) can change almost overnight.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 13:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520072&quot;&gt;Todd Cray&lt;/a&gt;.

Todd, I think financial transparency should apply to all religious groups, regardless - just as it does to all other non-profits.  The CoS is simply taking advantage of an exception that invites abuse, in a realm where belief gives organizations extraordinarily powerful influence that is easily exploited, and where I think transparency and accountability is critical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520072">Todd Cray</a>.</p>
<p>Todd, I think financial transparency should apply to all religious groups, regardless &#8211; just as it does to all other non-profits.  The CoS is simply taking advantage of an exception that invites abuse, in a realm where belief gives organizations extraordinarily powerful influence that is easily exploited, and where I think transparency and accountability is critical.</p>
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		By: Dead Man Talking Bill Straass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dead Man Talking Bill Straass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520091&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I saw John Travolta&#039;s PX folder in 1979. Per the front of the folder he was OTIII then.Not that I looked inside it. It was on it&#039;s way to the C/S ( sorry to any of you fucks who don&#039;t know what a C/S is, but just let me say that you got off easy. I know all about it but I ended up with had less than a 5 % chance of remaining alive.
     I met JT in person around 1990 on the Freewinds. He wanted to go to an island by Aruba to have a little party with his brother Frank as it was Frank&#039;s birthday. As the senior repair engineer on the Freewinds I was sent because they knew that I could rebuild the whole engine if necessary, true, but I did not have the tools. It started raining when we got to the island so we returned to the ship]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520091">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I saw John Travolta&#8217;s PX folder in 1979. Per the front of the folder he was OTIII then.Not that I looked inside it. It was on it&#8217;s way to the C/S ( sorry to any of you fucks who don&#8217;t know what a C/S is, but just let me say that you got off easy. I know all about it but I ended up with had less than a 5 % chance of remaining alive.<br />
     I met JT in person around 1990 on the Freewinds. He wanted to go to an island by Aruba to have a little party with his brother Frank as it was Frank&#8217;s birthday. As the senior repair engineer on the Freewinds I was sent because they knew that I could rebuild the whole engine if necessary, true, but I did not have the tools. It started raining when we got to the island so we returned to the ship</p>
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		By: Karen de la Carriere		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 04:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is such a vital blog and is high recommended reading for all.


We have long since come to realize that the way to stop their daily criminality is to have tax exempt pulled where they are held accountable like any business.
I wonder how many people right now are held against will for voicing their wish to leave !
Holding against will is against the law !

There are tons of laws that protect the consumer and the SCN cult evades all of them because of masquerading as a &quot;religion&quot; and invoking 1st amendment privileges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a vital blog and is high recommended reading for all.</p>
<p>We have long since come to realize that the way to stop their daily criminality is to have tax exempt pulled where they are held accountable like any business.<br />
I wonder how many people right now are held against will for voicing their wish to leave !<br />
Holding against will is against the law !</p>
<p>There are tons of laws that protect the consumer and the SCN cult evades all of them because of masquerading as a &#8220;religion&#8221; and invoking 1st amendment privileges.</p>
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		By: Karl Woodrow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl Woodrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 04:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520054&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes. . A troll hiding under the bridge snipping at heels of decent people making good observations about the &quot;church&quot; of Scientology abuses in violation of human decency any even many of Scientology&#039;s own principles,  identifies these observations as &quot;old news&quot; a-la COS attorney Karen Pau.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alex-gibney-urges-irs-to-revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status/#comment-520054">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Yes. . A troll hiding under the bridge snipping at heels of decent people making good observations about the &#8220;church&#8221; of Scientology abuses in violation of human decency any even many of Scientology&#8217;s own principles,  identifies these observations as &#8220;old news&#8221; a-la COS attorney Karen Pau.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 01:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eliminating the cult&#039;s tax exempt status is the way to go.

As a strategy, appealing to common sense with these people is largely a waste of time.

 Its  obvious that the die hard still ins WANT to be lied to, NEED to be lied to.

With the exception of an unknown percentage of them who are actually UTR it is apparent to me  that the hard core rest of them know the truth, see the truth and yet insist upon being lied to about it.  So Miscavige obliges.   They don&#039;t WANT the truth.  They don&#039;t WANT to be told that what they&#039;re observing with their own eyes is the truth.  Because that would mean they have nothing.   Miscavige&#039;s lies are all they have.  Without his lies they have nothing.

If he were to stand in front of them and admit the truth and the doors of their collective Prison of Belief were opened for them to walk out, they would certainly destroy COB, yes, he would be ruined and destroyed,  but it would destroy THEM as well.  It bears repeating: His lies are ALL they have.  Miscavige&#039;s fairy tales keep them alive.  They&#039;ll go to their graves believing his bullshit.  Very likely early graves too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliminating the cult&#8217;s tax exempt status is the way to go.</p>
<p>As a strategy, appealing to common sense with these people is largely a waste of time.</p>
<p> Its  obvious that the die hard still ins WANT to be lied to, NEED to be lied to.</p>
<p>With the exception of an unknown percentage of them who are actually UTR it is apparent to me  that the hard core rest of them know the truth, see the truth and yet insist upon being lied to about it.  So Miscavige obliges.   They don&#8217;t WANT the truth.  They don&#8217;t WANT to be told that what they&#8217;re observing with their own eyes is the truth.  Because that would mean they have nothing.   Miscavige&#8217;s lies are all they have.  Without his lies they have nothing.</p>
<p>If he were to stand in front of them and admit the truth and the doors of their collective Prison of Belief were opened for them to walk out, they would certainly destroy COB, yes, he would be ruined and destroyed,  but it would destroy THEM as well.  It bears repeating: His lies are ALL they have.  Miscavige&#8217;s fairy tales keep them alive.  They&#8217;ll go to their graves believing his bullshit.  Very likely early graves too.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2023 00:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spot on.   Revoke its tax exempt status and Co$ dies.  Finis.   Cut the  head off this snake.  Correct target.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on.   Revoke its tax exempt status and Co$ dies.  Finis.   Cut the  head off this snake.  Correct target.</p>
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