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		By: Rev. Alfraudie Johnson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rev. Alfraudie Johnson]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] I have written about him before. Brash and flashy, the &#8220;Baptist Minister&#8221; was instrumental in bringing the Nation of Islam into the arranged marriage with scientology. Alfreddie on the Gravy Train  [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I have written about him before. Brash and flashy, the &#8220;Baptist Minister&#8221; was instrumental in bringing the Nation of Islam into the arranged marriage with scientology. Alfreddie on the Gravy Train  [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35537&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35537">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear MIke et al,

Yes, Rev Alfreddie Johnson said that he was taking services. I saw him do a speech about MLK one time and he said that, after some recent auditing he&#039;d had, he realized that he was doing a life continuum on his friend, Dr. MLK. 

That&#039;s all I have on that. That was 2 or 3 years ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear MIke et al,</p>
<p>Yes, Rev Alfreddie Johnson said that he was taking services. I saw him do a speech about MLK one time and he said that, after some recent auditing he&#8217;d had, he realized that he was doing a life continuum on his friend, Dr. MLK. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I have on that. That was 2 or 3 years ago.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35460&quot;&gt;1subgenius&lt;/a&gt;.

COS&#039;s chumminess with the NOI&#039;s anti-Semitic leader Farrakhan was to me a huge embarrassment  and I&#039;m not even Jewish. To me this was cringe-worthy and shudder-worthy and, if for no other reason I am  relieved to be disassociated and not at all a part of  a &quot;church&quot; which has forged such a connection with an &quot;opinion leader&quot; like Louis Farrakhan. 

That said, I know some Jewish Scientologist still ins who apparently accept this.  I honestly don&#039;t know how.  

If LF were ranting and preaching hate and otherwise motivating against some other ethnicity/religion in this country,  like the Irish or Italian Catholics, or the German-American Lutherans, these groups wouldn&#039;t take it so calmly.

 But then again, maybe the Jewish Americans have the right idea: Direct the majority of energy where it counts,  live your lives, contribute to yourself, your family and society, keep studying, keep creating, keep working.  At the same time, observe, communicate about it sufficiently so as to be safe-pointed within the laws, but don&#039;t engage, just calmly  ignore this mis-informed, rabble-rousing imbecile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35460">1subgenius</a>.</p>
<p>COS&#8217;s chumminess with the NOI&#8217;s anti-Semitic leader Farrakhan was to me a huge embarrassment  and I&#8217;m not even Jewish. To me this was cringe-worthy and shudder-worthy and, if for no other reason I am  relieved to be disassociated and not at all a part of  a &#8220;church&#8221; which has forged such a connection with an &#8220;opinion leader&#8221; like Louis Farrakhan. </p>
<p>That said, I know some Jewish Scientologist still ins who apparently accept this.  I honestly don&#8217;t know how.  </p>
<p>If LF were ranting and preaching hate and otherwise motivating against some other ethnicity/religion in this country,  like the Irish or Italian Catholics, or the German-American Lutherans, these groups wouldn&#8217;t take it so calmly.</p>
<p> But then again, maybe the Jewish Americans have the right idea: Direct the majority of energy where it counts,  live your lives, contribute to yourself, your family and society, keep studying, keep creating, keep working.  At the same time, observe, communicate about it sufficiently so as to be safe-pointed within the laws, but don&#8217;t engage, just calmly  ignore this mis-informed, rabble-rousing imbecile.</p>
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		By: 1subgenius		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35460</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1subgenius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35456&quot;&gt;FOTF2012&lt;/a&gt;.

A nice concise overview.]]></description>
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<p>A nice concise overview.</p>
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		By: Conan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Conan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35456&quot;&gt;FOTF2012&lt;/a&gt;.

FOTF2012,

Good post. Oh yeah, they are one of a kind:

Obedience and subjection to religious authority is their meme.]]></description>
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<p>FOTF2012,</p>
<p>Good post. Oh yeah, they are one of a kind:</p>
<p>Obedience and subjection to religious authority is their meme.</p>
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		By: DollarMorgue		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DollarMorgue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35455&quot;&gt;Alex Castillo&lt;/a&gt;.

He already has and they already are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35455">Alex Castillo</a>.</p>
<p>He already has and they already are.</p>
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		By: Cat Daddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cat Daddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35427&quot;&gt;MJ&lt;/a&gt;.

People should be warned for these conmen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35427">MJ</a>.</p>
<p>People should be warned for these conmen</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOTF2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In some ways, Nation of Islam does have common ground with Scientology. 

1. They believe there is a mother spaceship out there coming for them. See for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiVP-E2eFI. Farrakhan claims he was even on this spaceship: http://ivarfjeld.com/2011/03/04/farrakhan-claims-he-was-on-mother-plane-spaceship/. (Shades perhaps of &quot;I was on Venus the other day ...&quot; from LRH in his civilized Venusian freight trains delusion. And not unlike the world savior Moxons who used their OT powers to destroy a spaceship recently that was bound to invade Earth. Or the stories of Fourth and Fifth Invader forces in Scientology. And so on. 

2. Nation of Islam and Scientology seem to share a bias against Blacks themselves. Islam in the American Black society may have become popular in part as rebellion against the slaveholder religion of Christianity. But whereas American overturned slavery in the last half of the 1800s (admittedly centuries later than it should have), the kingdom of Islam, Saudi Arabia, did not make slavery illegal until the 1960s (that&#039;s not a typo) and per some Saudi&#039;s it is still practiced today. Christians, Jews, and Muslims were all involved in the slave trade to the New World. Their common denominator may not have been religion so much as economics, ugly as that was, and the shared desert monotheisms whose spiritual books did not ban slavery. Scientology&#039;s scriptures (text or ramblings of Hubbard) speak poorly of black (primitive, so undeveloped that theft won&#039;t register as an overt on the e-meter in Africa, and so on). Nation of Islam has traded one slaveholder religion for another slaveholder religion that still practices slavery of men, women, and children in one way or another. 

3. Nation of Islam has its own Xenu. Yakub was a big-headed black scientist who created the white race of devils about 6,600 years ago -- which is around when the universe and Earth were created per Young Earth Creationists in Christianity. Metaphorically, there is a grain of truth in it: all of our ancestors, if we went back far enough, were probably dark-skinned, though probably not exactly &quot;Black&quot; as the term is used in America today. But a big-headed scientist creating races 6-7 millennia ago? No scientific evidence supports that, any more than there is any rational evidence to support Xenu sending all those thetans hopped up on glycol and bad movies to Earth 75 million years ago. 

So, Nation of Islam, which does not actually hold to the tenets of Islam, and Scientology, a religion without a god or worship, are actually very natural bedfellows.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways, Nation of Islam does have common ground with Scientology. </p>
<p>1. They believe there is a mother spaceship out there coming for them. See for example <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiVP-E2eFI" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtiVP-E2eFI</a>. Farrakhan claims he was even on this spaceship: <a href="http://ivarfjeld.com/2011/03/04/farrakhan-claims-he-was-on-mother-plane-spaceship/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ivarfjeld.com/2011/03/04/farrakhan-claims-he-was-on-mother-plane-spaceship/</a>. (Shades perhaps of &#8220;I was on Venus the other day &#8230;&#8221; from LRH in his civilized Venusian freight trains delusion. And not unlike the world savior Moxons who used their OT powers to destroy a spaceship recently that was bound to invade Earth. Or the stories of Fourth and Fifth Invader forces in Scientology. And so on. </p>
<p>2. Nation of Islam and Scientology seem to share a bias against Blacks themselves. Islam in the American Black society may have become popular in part as rebellion against the slaveholder religion of Christianity. But whereas American overturned slavery in the last half of the 1800s (admittedly centuries later than it should have), the kingdom of Islam, Saudi Arabia, did not make slavery illegal until the 1960s (that&#8217;s not a typo) and per some Saudi&#8217;s it is still practiced today. Christians, Jews, and Muslims were all involved in the slave trade to the New World. Their common denominator may not have been religion so much as economics, ugly as that was, and the shared desert monotheisms whose spiritual books did not ban slavery. Scientology&#8217;s scriptures (text or ramblings of Hubbard) speak poorly of black (primitive, so undeveloped that theft won&#8217;t register as an overt on the e-meter in Africa, and so on). Nation of Islam has traded one slaveholder religion for another slaveholder religion that still practices slavery of men, women, and children in one way or another. </p>
<p>3. Nation of Islam has its own Xenu. Yakub was a big-headed black scientist who created the white race of devils about 6,600 years ago &#8212; which is around when the universe and Earth were created per Young Earth Creationists in Christianity. Metaphorically, there is a grain of truth in it: all of our ancestors, if we went back far enough, were probably dark-skinned, though probably not exactly &#8220;Black&#8221; as the term is used in America today. But a big-headed scientist creating races 6-7 millennia ago? No scientific evidence supports that, any more than there is any rational evidence to support Xenu sending all those thetans hopped up on glycol and bad movies to Earth 75 million years ago. </p>
<p>So, Nation of Islam, which does not actually hold to the tenets of Islam, and Scientology, a religion without a god or worship, are actually very natural bedfellows.</p>
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		By: Alex Castillo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/alfreddie-on-the-gravy-train/#comment-35436&quot;&gt;theosismanides&lt;/a&gt;.

Ahh Theo, your comment is going to inspire Misgarbage to  invent a new policy called Keeping Scientologists Working, with the first point reading: Having the correct Scientologist. The rest I leave to your imagination. 
Alex]]></description>
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<p>Ahh Theo, your comment is going to inspire Misgarbage to  invent a new policy called Keeping Scientologists Working, with the first point reading: Having the correct Scientologist. The rest I leave to your imagination.<br />
Alex</p>
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