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		By: Peridot		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-392544</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 14:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On this feverish aim to produce a swath of ideal orgs, of all the major misses, I believe what will prove to be the biggest miss is the organization’s failure to handle the repeated valid questions of Ms. Leah Remini. 

It is the most fundamental policy in Scientology: An organization MUST answer people’s questions (Hubbard Technical Bulletin of 18 June 1957). Also: MAINTAIN FRIENDLY RELATIONS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE PUBLIC (Hubbard Policy Letter of 2 September 1970). 

That Leah factually gave management several opportunities to just ANSWER HER QUESTIONS and MAINTAIN FRIENDLY RELATIONS, yet management chose to instead, like a petulant child, dig in their heels at every opportunity—and even yell at her and make her wrong FOR ASKING QUESTIONS—to me is going to prove to be The Most Idiotic Hit-the-Button-labeled “Self-Destruct” Move management has ever made. 

Talk about not being in present time. Talk about having misunderstood words on the most fundamental policies and technical requirements of your post. Talk about having undisclosed evil purposes to take the group down, rather than contribute to its expansion and prosperity. 

Each person connected to not addressing Leah’s valid questions has got these ailments. The sword they are landing is their own. “Look no further for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.” “The Aftermath” series hosted by Leah and Mike is (to me) a series of knowledge reports. Each episode is a “mind-blown with facts” as an “end phenomenon.”  (Please provide a form in triplicate so viewer can write a Success Story.)

One of my stand-out episodes is the Bert Schippers episode where he painstakingly describes the experience of being super-fleeced for local ideal org donations. Then he learns, these massive donations IN NO WAY render one immune to having the group formally discard you or deliver a heavy “justice” blow against you or a member of your household. 

This group demonstrably does not care about its public or donators. The reality of finding someone who will grant “Ethics Protection” when you are an upstat is tough. Staff are just not given any type of emphasis on making people right, not unless it is to trap the person into more debt and further donations.

So, there. Failure to answer valid questions of a powerful public with a track record of a TON (millions of dollars) of donations and many years of active contribution and service, here is where it leads. Knowledge report after knowledge report, testimonial after testimonial: that is “The Aftermath” television series. Now it has been seen by millions and will continue to be viewed by many more. 

How is that for ideal? An ideal takedown and all that was required was to “pull the string” on, “Why won’t they answer my questions?” What has been illuminated by “The Aftermath” and other sources is nothing but a scrutinizing series of available facts. Nothing else has been necessary to achieve this stunning set of revelations—woven in and through the Church of Scientology are crimes, bad intentions, and unscrupulous behaviors. These are continuously exposed now in grand, explicit fashion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this feverish aim to produce a swath of ideal orgs, of all the major misses, I believe what will prove to be the biggest miss is the organization’s failure to handle the repeated valid questions of Ms. Leah Remini. </p>
<p>It is the most fundamental policy in Scientology: An organization MUST answer people’s questions (Hubbard Technical Bulletin of 18 June 1957). Also: MAINTAIN FRIENDLY RELATIONS WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE PUBLIC (Hubbard Policy Letter of 2 September 1970). </p>
<p>That Leah factually gave management several opportunities to just ANSWER HER QUESTIONS and MAINTAIN FRIENDLY RELATIONS, yet management chose to instead, like a petulant child, dig in their heels at every opportunity—and even yell at her and make her wrong FOR ASKING QUESTIONS—to me is going to prove to be The Most Idiotic Hit-the-Button-labeled “Self-Destruct” Move management has ever made. </p>
<p>Talk about not being in present time. Talk about having misunderstood words on the most fundamental policies and technical requirements of your post. Talk about having undisclosed evil purposes to take the group down, rather than contribute to its expansion and prosperity. </p>
<p>Each person connected to not addressing Leah’s valid questions has got these ailments. The sword they are landing is their own. “Look no further for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.” “The Aftermath” series hosted by Leah and Mike is (to me) a series of knowledge reports. Each episode is a “mind-blown with facts” as an “end phenomenon.”  (Please provide a form in triplicate so viewer can write a Success Story.)</p>
<p>One of my stand-out episodes is the Bert Schippers episode where he painstakingly describes the experience of being super-fleeced for local ideal org donations. Then he learns, these massive donations IN NO WAY render one immune to having the group formally discard you or deliver a heavy “justice” blow against you or a member of your household. </p>
<p>This group demonstrably does not care about its public or donators. The reality of finding someone who will grant “Ethics Protection” when you are an upstat is tough. Staff are just not given any type of emphasis on making people right, not unless it is to trap the person into more debt and further donations.</p>
<p>So, there. Failure to answer valid questions of a powerful public with a track record of a TON (millions of dollars) of donations and many years of active contribution and service, here is where it leads. Knowledge report after knowledge report, testimonial after testimonial: that is “The Aftermath” television series. Now it has been seen by millions and will continue to be viewed by many more. </p>
<p>How is that for ideal? An ideal takedown and all that was required was to “pull the string” on, “Why won’t they answer my questions?” What has been illuminated by “The Aftermath” and other sources is nothing but a scrutinizing series of available facts. Nothing else has been necessary to achieve this stunning set of revelations—woven in and through the Church of Scientology are crimes, bad intentions, and unscrupulous behaviors. These are continuously exposed now in grand, explicit fashion.</p>
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		By: Golden Era Parachute		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386518</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2021 19:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no end-game. You ask what then? I&#039;d say their are re-revisions of books. I will speculate that there will be some new extra-special event re-release. I might surmise there will eventually be a passing of the reigns. Hell, they might even do a Buddhist-style easter egg hunt for the new reincarnated mecca-ite, aka thetan lottery winner, of the new body (homo,novi, of course) of Dear (ol&#039;/new) Ron. Doubtful under the current leadership, but then again that is what postulates are for - imagination, like 8-8008 style imagination. 

As for Ideal Orgs, as far as I can tell - they are non-standard tech invented by David Miscavige to give himself purpose as El Capitàn. At most, they are a far stretch of something LRH wrote but never elaborated upon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no end-game. You ask what then? I&#8217;d say their are re-revisions of books. I will speculate that there will be some new extra-special event re-release. I might surmise there will eventually be a passing of the reigns. Hell, they might even do a Buddhist-style easter egg hunt for the new reincarnated mecca-ite, aka thetan lottery winner, of the new body (homo,novi, of course) of Dear (ol&#8217;/new) Ron. Doubtful under the current leadership, but then again that is what postulates are for &#8211; imagination, like 8-8008 style imagination. </p>
<p>As for Ideal Orgs, as far as I can tell &#8211; they are non-standard tech invented by David Miscavige to give himself purpose as El Capitàn. At most, they are a far stretch of something LRH wrote but never elaborated upon.</p>
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		By: Bee Tee Living on DM's Scotch bottle		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386374</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386252&quot;&gt;Gordon Weir&lt;/a&gt;.

Gordon:  St Louis Cherch of Sciendollatry got over $40,000 in PPP money from the US Government.  No worries about the lights.  They always can find one poor sap out of the 10 people left in St Louis  that will put money on credit cards to keep the lights on.  

Heh, I was wondering?  When is Chad Lane and Matt Hanses going to
 1.  Go up the Bridge?   You know what L Ron Hubbard says about the guy that never gets auditing?   There is your SP.  
  2.  Take out a second mortgage on their homes to donate to the IAS?   You know how David Miscavige hates Counter Intention.  Those two have not given much of anything that I can find.  

I believe  Chad and Matt have bankrupted more Scientologists in St Louis than any other Executive Directors / Registrars on planet Teegeack  - cuz they are always in emergency condition so they have to bypass everyone to get money in.  These two boneheads are as slick as snot as they practice the techniques of hard sell from the book -  Big League Sales.  Just ask Scientologist Micheal Wegener.  I think they milked that poor guy dry.

Very sad to see the  US Government is Funding a terrorist organization called Scientology with disaster relief money due to covid.  Sciendollatry always is scheming and scamming and taking advantage of everyone including the US Government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386252">Gordon Weir</a>.</p>
<p>Gordon:  St Louis Cherch of Sciendollatry got over $40,000 in PPP money from the US Government.  No worries about the lights.  They always can find one poor sap out of the 10 people left in St Louis  that will put money on credit cards to keep the lights on.  </p>
<p>Heh, I was wondering?  When is Chad Lane and Matt Hanses going to<br />
 1.  Go up the Bridge?   You know what L Ron Hubbard says about the guy that never gets auditing?   There is your SP.<br />
  2.  Take out a second mortgage on their homes to donate to the IAS?   You know how David Miscavige hates Counter Intention.  Those two have not given much of anything that I can find.  </p>
<p>I believe  Chad and Matt have bankrupted more Scientologists in St Louis than any other Executive Directors / Registrars on planet Teegeack  &#8211; cuz they are always in emergency condition so they have to bypass everyone to get money in.  These two boneheads are as slick as snot as they practice the techniques of hard sell from the book &#8211;  Big League Sales.  Just ask Scientologist Micheal Wegener.  I think they milked that poor guy dry.</p>
<p>Very sad to see the  US Government is Funding a terrorist organization called Scientology with disaster relief money due to covid.  Sciendollatry always is scheming and scamming and taking advantage of everyone including the US Government.</p>
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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386331</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386284&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

When you go to that website, the Google map app gives the mission&#039;s location as the Atlantic Ocean on the intersection of the Equator and Prime Meridian just south of Ghana. Maybe their expansion forced a move onto the Freewinds?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386284">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>When you go to that website, the Google map app gives the mission&#8217;s location as the Atlantic Ocean on the intersection of the Equator and Prime Meridian just south of Ghana. Maybe their expansion forced a move onto the Freewinds?</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386300</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2021 01:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386104&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere, a search turns up signs of missions in Bangor and in Brunswick, in Maine.  The former seems to have been defunct for several years, and the latter is in an old house that rents rooms and has several small business that trace to the address; if I recall when I looked a bit deeper a few years ago, it was actually the home of a couple of old mission holders named Fisco, who presumably are hanging on more out of loyalty than public demand.  There is also a bit of corporate information about the latter (but not the former) at:

&#062; http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/entities.php?groupby=jurisdiction#j-30

It&#039;s interesting to hear your story of how a mission got started, and then dissipated.  In so many places they seem to have centered around just one key person, or a couple, especially in locations other than major cities; those sorts of energetic and charismatic people often then seem to have had interests that eventually lead them to diverge from Scientology and its heavy-handedness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386104">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Jere, a search turns up signs of missions in Bangor and in Brunswick, in Maine.  The former seems to have been defunct for several years, and the latter is in an old house that rents rooms and has several small business that trace to the address; if I recall when I looked a bit deeper a few years ago, it was actually the home of a couple of old mission holders named Fisco, who presumably are hanging on more out of loyalty than public demand.  There is also a bit of corporate information about the latter (but not the former) at:</p>
<p>&gt; <a href="http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/entities.php?groupby=jurisdiction#j-30" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/entities.php?groupby=jurisdiction#j-30</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to hear your story of how a mission got started, and then dissipated.  In so many places they seem to have centered around just one key person, or a couple, especially in locations other than major cities; those sorts of energetic and charismatic people often then seem to have had interests that eventually lead them to diverge from Scientology and its heavy-handedness.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386288</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386110&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

Bruce, that&#039;s also just parroting fake news Scientology propaganda, unfortunately.  I know there are a number of candidates for other new 20th century religions, from  as large to much larger and actually approaching major - which Scientology of course is not actually.  Among the candidates are:

Rastafari
Nation of Islam
Wicca

from https://hankeringforhistory.com/the-new-religions-of-the-20th-century/

I think I&#039;ve also seen Baháʼí mentioned, which only came to the West in the 20th century, though it has 19th century origins in Persia.  And including groups as small and minor as Scientology actually is, there would be a large number of other candidates, among them Anton LaVey&#039;s Church of Satan, which is sometimes classified as a sibling of Hubbard&#039;s Church of Scientology in descent from the Thelema of Aleister Crowley.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386110">Bruce Ploetz</a>.</p>
<p>Bruce, that&#8217;s also just parroting fake news Scientology propaganda, unfortunately.  I know there are a number of candidates for other new 20th century religions, from  as large to much larger and actually approaching major &#8211; which Scientology of course is not actually.  Among the candidates are:</p>
<p>Rastafari<br />
Nation of Islam<br />
Wicca</p>
<p>from <a href="https://hankeringforhistory.com/the-new-religions-of-the-20th-century/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://hankeringforhistory.com/the-new-religions-of-the-20th-century/</a></p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve also seen Baháʼí mentioned, which only came to the West in the 20th century, though it has 19th century origins in Persia.  And including groups as small and minor as Scientology actually is, there would be a large number of other candidates, among them Anton LaVey&#8217;s Church of Satan, which is sometimes classified as a sibling of Hubbard&#8217;s Church of Scientology in descent from the Thelema of Aleister Crowley.</p>
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		By: Balletlady		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386142&quot;&gt;Loosing my Religion&lt;/a&gt;.

More or less that show made &quot;Goldie Hawn&quot; a huge STAR/celeb. .  Her kookiness, giggly laugh, smile &#038; ditzy blonde routine won millions over. 

Yes I remember Benny Hill &#038; several other shows that &quot;got by the TV Sensors with naughtiness&quot; that sometimes wasn&#039;t recognized until it aired.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386142">Loosing my Religion</a>.</p>
<p>More or less that show made &#8220;Goldie Hawn&#8221; a huge STAR/celeb. .  Her kookiness, giggly laugh, smile &amp; ditzy blonde routine won millions over. </p>
<p>Yes I remember Benny Hill &amp; several other shows that &#8220;got by the TV Sensors with naughtiness&#8221; that sometimes wasn&#8217;t recognized until it aired.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2021 20:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386263&quot;&gt;James LaPaz&lt;/a&gt;.

The Milwaukee mission died a couple of years ago, as far as I can tell.  Its previous address was a typical office/commercial building that was razed and is now an empty lot, and there&#039;s just some sort of Scientology website placeholder for it that has the address fields empty.  They do give a phone number, so it&#039;s possible that it&#039;s become one of those that the mission holder has packed in to a back room of their residence.

I suspect that we&#039;ll eventually find out that a similar fate has befallen quite a few more missions over the last year, pushing a number over the edge that were already hanging on by their fingernails, kept going by long-time missionholders on their last legs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386263">James LaPaz</a>.</p>
<p>The Milwaukee mission died a couple of years ago, as far as I can tell.  Its previous address was a typical office/commercial building that was razed and is now an empty lot, and there&#8217;s just some sort of Scientology website placeholder for it that has the address fields empty.  They do give a phone number, so it&#8217;s possible that it&#8217;s become one of those that the mission holder has packed in to a back room of their residence.</p>
<p>I suspect that we&#8217;ll eventually find out that a similar fate has befallen quite a few more missions over the last year, pushing a number over the edge that were already hanging on by their fingernails, kept going by long-time missionholders on their last legs.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386263&quot;&gt;James LaPaz&lt;/a&gt;.

correct]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-nation/#comment-386263">James LaPaz</a>.</p>
<p>correct</p>
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		By: James LaPaz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m pretty sure that you can add Wisconsin to the no org list. I believe that there is a tiny mission in Milwaukee. We can however boast that Ron Miscavige lives here.]]></description>
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