Thank you,t hat’s very kind of you, Tracy. I’m fine now, and actually have been for some time now. “Happy and healthy” and overall, taking a long view of things, very lucky. Thanks again 🙂

Not sure, I just see people going in with vests, some gold some black. I assumed they were sea org sent here. They all seem older. Second generation public members go in too.

Tracey, was the Denver org initially staffed with a lot of SO when it went “ideal”?

My heart goes out to you. I hope you are happy and healthy now.

OMG, WELL DONE for blowing and not shipping off per the Sea Org contract, Ms. B. I say that with the same fervor that I’d say, “Well done for avoiding that concentration camp.” Seriously, you did the right thing. Now, you might have felt badly or guilty about that afterwards (or have been convinced to feel that way, whatever) but from a pragmatic viewpoint, you did NOT join a suppressive organization totally run and controlled by a sociopath, an organization which totally brainwashes young, helpful, idealistic people, exploits them mercilessly, turns them into soul-less exploitive creatures themselves; an organization with the so-called purpose of helping and saving mankind and “getting ethics in on the planet, which is NOT doing this, and which has NEVER at any time even remotely done this.. Give yourself a gold star – a hundred of them! – for fleeing THAT trap!

“Staff at a mission as an ethics officer?” Sure, I can imagine that. I only made it to mid-lower bridge in my little org and had very good experiences with staff and with my ethics officers. They were good people; they helped me.

But then, money…without it, how is one supposed to live? “Make it go right” is not a solution. Adequate staff pay IS the solution to getting and keeping good staff. How can any organization run well with enough people and good people? Honestly, its ridiculous. I was only ever a public. I never joined. Came close but didn’t follow thru. I knew I’d never make it; working 40 hours a week on staff and then moonlighting. No. Not sustainable. I am not a trust fund baby and I didn’t have a wealthy spouse and I wasn’t about to sponge off of family members either. No way.
Down the years I saw many shiny eyed new staff members starting out, all excited, all looking forward to helping and making a difference, etc., regging me to come on board (unsuccessfully) A month or so later they were gone. “Hey, where’s _________?” “Oh, , he/she had to route off staff for a while to handle something”. Mostly never saw him/her again. Truth. Only a few staff stayed, signing again, year after year. They had situations wherein it cost them very little to live. One of them was wealthy, the others were comfortable in their own ways and could work full time at the org (for free basically) without needing to work “wog” jobs in order to eat, clothe and house themselves. Totally not sustainable. And of course they were desperate, desperate DESPERATE in those days for more staff. Couldn’t blame them, but then, the truth of the matter was that they were gulled and trapped into working 40 hours (and frequently more) for the cost of a take out coffee shop lunch.

For whatever its worth, IMHO you did the right things as regards staff and SO, and if as a public you weren’t being helped by they tech, then hey, why bother?

Loosing, YES! Yes yes yes yes yes. OK, let me see if I got this.

Such a person reduces his OWN space. He does it HIMSELF. His reduced space is a BY PRODUCT of his own negative actions toward others.

And the APPARENCY, what can be viewed and observed in the physical universe, can be that he’s doing fine. The apparency can lead others to believe that this person can continue to harm others with impunity. And if he has a great deal of money, this apparency, this facade, can be actively maintained for much longer than if he didn’t have so much money.

That said, his shrinking space continues to shrink. The “space” in which he can himself operate as a being automatically shrinks if he continues harming others, no matter that he’s getting away with it legally, socially etc. Because he continues on this course of bad actions to others and covering them up, necessitating more lies and more coverups in turn requiring more bad actions, etc., etc. his space just gets smaller and smaller and smaller. It cannot be otherwise! And because he has so much money he can mask this ever shrinking space.

But the universe works in symmetry and before long the apparency (outward appearance, doing well, prospering, etc.) begins to reflect the actual, true, shrunken inner reality.

This has been happening to Miscavige! Amazing, I see it now.

can’t go anywhere. He can’t communicate openly with hardly anyone.

Forget our jokes about his physical size; his operating space as a being is very small.

A “bottleneck” you call it.

That’s an apt description. There are very very few things that he can do, hardly anywhere he can go, and hardly anyone he can talk to.

There is SO much that he can’t say. Wow. What a tiny, tiny narrow, confined little life he has – my God! Why, there are people in actual physical prisons who have larger operating spaces than he does!

And he created this all himself. He did it. He shrank his own space. From a fairly large sphere back in the 80s to what it is today nearly 40 years later, now, a bottleneck only.

And all his money can’t enlarge his own personal operating space.
All he can do is continue to fleece the Scientologists for more and more money so that he can buy property and renovate builidngs to “prove” Scientology’s and actually HIS, “expansion”.’

Just a theory but it could be that he keeps the Ideal M’Orgue program in place not only for tax purposes but for the personal, emotional, feel good benefit it affords him as well.

Is it still working, this scam? We don’t know, because the Still Ins who AREN’T fooled and possibly UTR aren’t talking.

Well, I was sort of. I actually signed the infamous billion year contract. I didn’t ever ship off to get started though. Instead, I blew and went to work a job in Wyoming, far far away from the long arm of the cult. At least I thought so. They managed to find me and ‘recover’ me. It seems no crime is too great if you still have some money.
A bit later, I actually joined staff at a mission as an ‘ethics officer’ if you can imagine that. I blew that post too after my money dried up. Once again I was ‘recovered’ after I recovered my income stream.
Never one to give up the hopes the cult offered for spiritual freedom, I came back as a public person until I finally pried my eyes open and really blew the cult for good. Life has only gotten better since.

Aqua, what you’re saying is a quite broad topic to address here. What I can only say is this. Firstly, when a person has a lot of money, they can find loopholes through lawyers and tax advisors to get away with it. Just look at how many billionaires don’t pay taxes, or pay a ridiculous amount, simply because they manage to avoid it.
In addition, when a person engages in negative actions towards others, their space, both spiritually and in reality, tends to narrow, until it simply becomes a bottleneck, where the person cannot go neither right nor left, let alone backwards, and is forced to move forward. The problem is that those who follow end up funneling into that same bottleneck.
Such situation can’t be reset.
It may seem like these guys are doing well and getting away with everything, but it’s not the case. It’s a universe based strictly on symmetry. He can’t eacape It.

Right on!