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		By: Kay		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-178335</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177070&quot;&gt;T.J.&lt;/a&gt;.

I have never been been involved in the Church of Scientology because of blogs like this one. When it was popular, I was not enticed because of similar people&#039;s opinion and reports in the press. The only people that trolls like you can influence are the poor souls trapped in the mind controlled cult that bleeds them dry and abuses them....like yourself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177070">T.J.</a>.</p>
<p>I have never been been involved in the Church of Scientology because of blogs like this one. When it was popular, I was not enticed because of similar people&#8217;s opinion and reports in the press. The only people that trolls like you can influence are the poor souls trapped in the mind controlled cult that bleeds them dry and abuses them&#8230;.like yourself.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-178044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-178038&quot;&gt;Graywolf&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you. So happy to hear this. It is People like you that make the effort worthwhile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-178038">Graywolf</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you. So happy to hear this. It is People like you that make the effort worthwhile.</p>
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		By: Graywolf		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-178038</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graywolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Rinder,

I can&#039;t tell you what this post means to me.

I worked on staff at this organization for 9 years [I grew up in Scn] before walking out the door and never looking back, in 2007.  This was long before the building was renovated.

The Ideal Org Project was pushed very heavily on the parishioners and the staff. [I was there for that part.] It was a &quot;holy grail&quot; of sorts in that, if we somehow managed to raise the massive and inconceivable amounts of money required [I&#039;m sure you know Mr. Meyer is *not* alone, nor was he the most major contributor] that magically, all problems would be resolved and the org would &quot;boom&quot; [grow rapidly] and reach the size of Old Saint Hill.

Honestly though, given the church&#039;s propensity for falsifying statistics, I wonder if Saint Hill was the size of Old Saint Hill, but I digress....

These photos shows me:  A) I&#039;m not crazy and B) never looking back was the best thing I ever did for myself.

THANK YOU for your efforts. Your writings and the work you and Leah are doing on A&#038;E is incredible. It helps tremendously to see others&#039; stories and to know I&#039;m not alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rinder,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you what this post means to me.</p>
<p>I worked on staff at this organization for 9 years [I grew up in Scn] before walking out the door and never looking back, in 2007.  This was long before the building was renovated.</p>
<p>The Ideal Org Project was pushed very heavily on the parishioners and the staff. [I was there for that part.] It was a &#8220;holy grail&#8221; of sorts in that, if we somehow managed to raise the massive and inconceivable amounts of money required [I&#8217;m sure you know Mr. Meyer is *not* alone, nor was he the most major contributor] that magically, all problems would be resolved and the org would &#8220;boom&#8221; [grow rapidly] and reach the size of Old Saint Hill.</p>
<p>Honestly though, given the church&#8217;s propensity for falsifying statistics, I wonder if Saint Hill was the size of Old Saint Hill, but I digress&#8230;.</p>
<p>These photos shows me:  A) I&#8217;m not crazy and B) never looking back was the best thing I ever did for myself.</p>
<p>THANK YOU for your efforts. Your writings and the work you and Leah are doing on A&amp;E is incredible. It helps tremendously to see others&#8217; stories and to know I&#8217;m not alone.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 13:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-176981&quot;&gt;Harpoona Frittata&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, I just saw that Harpoona.  I feel somewhat sorry for him.  Looks like he has finally gone under.  Unable to forgive himself for all those years of oppressing people even though I think he made amends through his actions going after DM &#038; the CoS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-176981">Harpoona Frittata</a>.</p>
<p>Wow, I just saw that Harpoona.  I feel somewhat sorry for him.  Looks like he has finally gone under.  Unable to forgive himself for all those years of oppressing people even though I think he made amends through his actions going after DM &amp; the CoS.</p>
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		By: marildi		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177077</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marildi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 06:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177070&quot;&gt;T.J.&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi again, T.J.

You wrote: &quot;...his blog is run by...a man who has become disillusioned with the Church of Scientology, and so that is the particular focus of this blog, which then, of course, attracts like-minded individuals. So your point of view is actually the minority here...&quot; 

My point of view about the CHURCH is not at all in the minority - I feel the same way about the abuses and have posted many comments about it. This is the same confusion that never seems to clear up - that is to say, the church and the tech are not the same thing.

Even though the tech isn&#039;t stated to be the focus of the blog, many people post about it. And yes, the majority are negative - but does that mean the opposite point of view shouldn&#039;t be allowed? Mike himself doesn&#039;t go that far.

So what I was saying is that if you&#039;re going to tell people to stop hammering about the postitive aspects of the tech, I don&#039;t see why you think &quot;it is unreasonable to tell people to stop posting their opinions on the non-value of ‘the tech.’&quot; That&#039;s all I was saying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177070">T.J.</a>.</p>
<p>Hi again, T.J.</p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;&#8230;his blog is run by&#8230;a man who has become disillusioned with the Church of Scientology, and so that is the particular focus of this blog, which then, of course, attracts like-minded individuals. So your point of view is actually the minority here&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>My point of view about the CHURCH is not at all in the minority &#8211; I feel the same way about the abuses and have posted many comments about it. This is the same confusion that never seems to clear up &#8211; that is to say, the church and the tech are not the same thing.</p>
<p>Even though the tech isn&#8217;t stated to be the focus of the blog, many people post about it. And yes, the majority are negative &#8211; but does that mean the opposite point of view shouldn&#8217;t be allowed? Mike himself doesn&#8217;t go that far.</p>
<p>So what I was saying is that if you&#8217;re going to tell people to stop hammering about the postitive aspects of the tech, I don&#8217;t see why you think &#8220;it is unreasonable to tell people to stop posting their opinions on the non-value of ‘the tech.’&#8221; That&#8217;s all I was saying.</p>
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		By: T.J.		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177071</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 05:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177038&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Brian :-)  I&#039;m all done now. :-p]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177038">Brian</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Brian 🙂  I&#8217;m all done now. :-p</p>
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		By: T.J.		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177070</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 05:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177045&quot;&gt;marildi&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi marildi, here&#039;s the thing of it... this blog is run by a former CofS member, who appears to be (judging by his contributions to quite a few news interviews, videos, his personal posts here, and elsewhere, and participation in an A&#038;E TV show) - a man who has become disillusioned with the Church of Scientology, and so that is the particular focus of this blog, which then, of course, attracts like-minded individuals. So your point of view is actually the minority here, and try as you might, it is unlikely you will have much success in converting people to your stance on Scientology. So it is unreasonable to tell people to stop posting their opinions on the non-value of &#039;the tech&#039; because that is the interest of this particular online community.

I&#039;m thinking that Mike Rinder has observed your passion for what you believe, and M2C&#039;s like mindedness, and sees it is largely a wasted effort here, and therefor suggested that you may be more effective in another forum of your own making. 

Peace to you, and sincere best wishes... no more from me now, as I&#039;ve reached my self-limit of 3 posts for the day, lol.

- T.J.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177045">marildi</a>.</p>
<p>Hi marildi, here&#8217;s the thing of it&#8230; this blog is run by a former CofS member, who appears to be (judging by his contributions to quite a few news interviews, videos, his personal posts here, and elsewhere, and participation in an A&amp;E TV show) &#8211; a man who has become disillusioned with the Church of Scientology, and so that is the particular focus of this blog, which then, of course, attracts like-minded individuals. So your point of view is actually the minority here, and try as you might, it is unlikely you will have much success in converting people to your stance on Scientology. So it is unreasonable to tell people to stop posting their opinions on the non-value of &#8216;the tech&#8217; because that is the interest of this particular online community.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that Mike Rinder has observed your passion for what you believe, and M2C&#8217;s like mindedness, and sees it is largely a wasted effort here, and therefor suggested that you may be more effective in another forum of your own making. </p>
<p>Peace to you, and sincere best wishes&#8230; no more from me now, as I&#8217;ve reached my self-limit of 3 posts for the day, lol.</p>
<p>&#8211; T.J.</p>
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		By: marildi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177024&quot;&gt;T.J.&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;When someone posts repeatedly time and again the same type of post, it isn’t serving the community at large. It’s like someone hammering during construction down the street, you can take the annoyance for a few hours, or days, but non-stop hammering for months on end can be a real annoyance!

T.J., have you ever said that to the commenters who hammer the same negative claims, over and over, about the tech? 

I&#039;m glad you wrote &quot;This is an open forum where people can freely post their views, but most of us know when to stop.&quot; But why not say that to those who don&#039;t stop with the negative? Those posts are by far the most repetitive - and the longest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177024">T.J.</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;When someone posts repeatedly time and again the same type of post, it isn’t serving the community at large. It’s like someone hammering during construction down the street, you can take the annoyance for a few hours, or days, but non-stop hammering for months on end can be a real annoyance!</p>
<p>T.J., have you ever said that to the commenters who hammer the same negative claims, over and over, about the tech? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you wrote &#8220;This is an open forum where people can freely post their views, but most of us know when to stop.&#8221; But why not say that to those who don&#8217;t stop with the negative? Those posts are by far the most repetitive &#8211; and the longest.</p>
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		By: Barbara Carr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 01:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177008&quot;&gt;marildi&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh my goodness!  You two just can&#039;t seem to help yourselves. The insults followed by complaints when someone answers back.  If you feel you&#039;re unjustly treated here or the forum isn&#039;t to your liking, say so outright instead of pretending you&#039;re trying to see someone else&#039;s side of this very heart-rending, complicated subject.  Believe all you like in any part or all of lrh&#039;s teachings. We don&#039;t care.....but stop degrading those of us who don&#039;t agree.  Stay or go., but exercise self control when you&#039;re a guest in someone else&#039;s house.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177008">marildi</a>.</p>
<p>Oh my goodness!  You two just can&#8217;t seem to help yourselves. The insults followed by complaints when someone answers back.  If you feel you&#8217;re unjustly treated here or the forum isn&#8217;t to your liking, say so outright instead of pretending you&#8217;re trying to see someone else&#8217;s side of this very heart-rending, complicated subject.  Believe all you like in any part or all of lrh&#8217;s teachings. We don&#8217;t care&#8230;..but stop degrading those of us who don&#8217;t agree.  Stay or go., but exercise self control when you&#8217;re a guest in someone else&#8217;s house.</p>
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		By: Brian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2017 01:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177024&quot;&gt;T.J.&lt;/a&gt;.

+100
Thank you for posting that t.j.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/an-ideal-org/#comment-177024">T.J.</a>.</p>
<p>+100<br />
Thank you for posting that t.j.</p>
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