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		By: hiatus57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2014 20:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49843&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

1.1 as usual.

The Data series is one of the best things I have ever read and applied.

My favourite is &quot;Never use lies in PR&quot; LRH

The C of S uses lies in their PR.  They should not be confused with LRH&#039;s Tech as they seem to no longer be applying it.

This is probably due to their lack of applying other LRH Tech such as the W/C Series.

LRH had to develop an entire Technology of Study so people could actually understand Dianetics and Scientology.

I think that&#039;s an incredible achievment for any man. So the dwarf has dispensed with all this and we know the results don&#039;t we.  He goes off on other paths and other ideas etc etc.

Sounds like a lot of people think its a good idea to go off and spend their life trying to find out if lRH was right or not.

Good luck to them, I think its simply more fun to make TA on a daily basis using standard tech and feeling good about it, and having the quality of good C/S ing from well trained people.

But then again perhaps I should go off into the deserts of Montana and try and find some ancient native american who caould say he never met LRH so it was all lies and I should give up my Solo Auditing.

NOT A BLOODY CHANCE MATE!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49843">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>1.1 as usual.</p>
<p>The Data series is one of the best things I have ever read and applied.</p>
<p>My favourite is &#8220;Never use lies in PR&#8221; LRH</p>
<p>The C of S uses lies in their PR.  They should not be confused with LRH&#8217;s Tech as they seem to no longer be applying it.</p>
<p>This is probably due to their lack of applying other LRH Tech such as the W/C Series.</p>
<p>LRH had to develop an entire Technology of Study so people could actually understand Dianetics and Scientology.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s an incredible achievment for any man. So the dwarf has dispensed with all this and we know the results don&#8217;t we.  He goes off on other paths and other ideas etc etc.</p>
<p>Sounds like a lot of people think its a good idea to go off and spend their life trying to find out if lRH was right or not.</p>
<p>Good luck to them, I think its simply more fun to make TA on a daily basis using standard tech and feeling good about it, and having the quality of good C/S ing from well trained people.</p>
<p>But then again perhaps I should go off into the deserts of Montana and try and find some ancient native american who caould say he never met LRH so it was all lies and I should give up my Solo Auditing.</p>
<p>NOT A BLOODY CHANCE MATE!</p>
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		By: Old School		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old School]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 14:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49806&quot;&gt;Worsel&lt;/a&gt;.

Worsel, you are incorrect.  The Data Series was/is known by all the major hitters in Int Management.  They put up with DM.  They were also HIGHLY trained in the PTS/SP tech.  Even LRH put up with DM&#039;s 1.1 acts and suppression.

Time to find a new &quot;tech&quot; that works...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49806">Worsel</a>.</p>
<p>Worsel, you are incorrect.  The Data Series was/is known by all the major hitters in Int Management.  They put up with DM.  They were also HIGHLY trained in the PTS/SP tech.  Even LRH put up with DM&#8217;s 1.1 acts and suppression.</p>
<p>Time to find a new &#8220;tech&#8221; that works&#8230;</p>
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		By: Alanzo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alanzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2014 13:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49856&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

From Data Series 2 &quot;Logic:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“LOGIC means the subject of reasoning. Some in ages past have sought to label it a science. But that can be regarded as pretense and pompousness.’

“If there were such a science, men would be able to think. And they can’t.’

“The term itself is utterly forbidding. If you were to read a text on logic, you would go quite mad trying to figure it out, much less learn how to think.”

“Yet logic or the ability to reason is vital to an organizer or administrator. If he can not think clearly, he will not be able to reach the conclusions vital to make correct decisions.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Data Series was created by Hubbard as a decoy and distraction to real logic. Hubbard created it and gave it to Scientologists so that Scientologists could not spot what Hubbard was actually doing to them.

It is totally safe for Miscavige to give Scientologists training in the Data Series. The Data Series can not be used to spot what Scientology really is, and what is actually being done. 

What Hubbard discouraged and distracted Scientologists from, as in the quote above, was training in real logic.

That would be dangerous for Davey to give to Scientologists.

Alanzo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49856">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>From Data Series 2 &#8220;Logic:</p>
<blockquote><p>“LOGIC means the subject of reasoning. Some in ages past have sought to label it a science. But that can be regarded as pretense and pompousness.’</p>
<p>“If there were such a science, men would be able to think. And they can’t.’</p>
<p>“The term itself is utterly forbidding. If you were to read a text on logic, you would go quite mad trying to figure it out, much less learn how to think.”</p>
<p>“Yet logic or the ability to reason is vital to an organizer or administrator. If he can not think clearly, he will not be able to reach the conclusions vital to make correct decisions.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The Data Series was created by Hubbard as a decoy and distraction to real logic. Hubbard created it and gave it to Scientologists so that Scientologists could not spot what Hubbard was actually doing to them.</p>
<p>It is totally safe for Miscavige to give Scientologists training in the Data Series. The Data Series can not be used to spot what Scientology really is, and what is actually being done. </p>
<p>What Hubbard discouraged and distracted Scientologists from, as in the quote above, was training in real logic.</p>
<p>That would be dangerous for Davey to give to Scientologists.</p>
<p>Alanzo</p>
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		By: 1984		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2014 04:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49856&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I doubt that there will be much real info in the seminar. It&#039;s probably just an opportunity for more crush selling with a new set of buttons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49856">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I doubt that there will be much real info in the seminar. It&#8217;s probably just an opportunity for more crush selling with a new set of buttons.</p>
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		By: Madora P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Madora P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2014 01:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[YOU ARE IN A DESTRUCTIVE CULT - the right why]]></description>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49866</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 21:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49806&quot;&gt;Worsel&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Worsel!  Spot on that &quot;Ideal Scene&quot;  does not mean &quot;marble floors or golden faucets.  It means that thing, group, etc. is fullfilling the purpose it is intended to perform&quot;.  

Marble floors and golden faucets would be an Altered Importance, one of the outpoints.

This is the concept I attempted to convey several years ago.  A lot of good it did me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49806">Worsel</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Worsel!  Spot on that &#8220;Ideal Scene&#8221;  does not mean &#8220;marble floors or golden faucets.  It means that thing, group, etc. is fullfilling the purpose it is intended to perform&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Marble floors and golden faucets would be an Altered Importance, one of the outpoints.</p>
<p>This is the concept I attempted to convey several years ago.  A lot of good it did me.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 21:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49843&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

And that non-adherence to the Data Series would include Miscavige&#039;s &quot;Why&quot; for the lack of trained auditors back in the &#039;90s which spawned the first GAT as &quot;The Blind Have Been Leading The Blind&quot;,  God only knows what convoluted logic He used to come up with something like this, but it certainly wasn&#039;t based on former statistics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49843">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>And that non-adherence to the Data Series would include Miscavige&#8217;s &#8220;Why&#8221; for the lack of trained auditors back in the &#8217;90s which spawned the first GAT as &#8220;The Blind Have Been Leading The Blind&#8221;,  God only knows what convoluted logic He used to come up with something like this, but it certainly wasn&#8217;t based on former statistics.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49843&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

Alanzo, I respectfully disagree with your first sentence.  The Church of Scientology is not operating on the Data Series.  I did that course and I know those PLs well because I keep reading and re-reading them, and I can&#039;t think of a single one that the church is following.  Possibly in the past before my time or before I was paying attention, but not now, no way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49843">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>Alanzo, I respectfully disagree with your first sentence.  The Church of Scientology is not operating on the Data Series.  I did that course and I know those PLs well because I keep reading and re-reading them, and I can&#8217;t think of a single one that the church is following.  Possibly in the past before my time or before I was paying attention, but not now, no way.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is priceless!  Yes, definitely ensure that COB is confirmed and reconfirmed for this one! Toooo funny!  

That said, it surprised me that they have the kishkas to hold a seminar like this for the sheeple.  Does He really want them being given Data Series references to learn how to analyze data for outpoints and pluspoints, compare Ideal Scenes to existing scenes, determine situations and find Real Whys which open doors to handlings?  Isn&#039;t that kind of dangerous for Him? I would think it would be dangerous for Him to have his obedient bots even able to recognize differences, similarities and identities.  I&#039;m surprised He&#039;s allowing it, frankly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is priceless!  Yes, definitely ensure that COB is confirmed and reconfirmed for this one! Toooo funny!  </p>
<p>That said, it surprised me that they have the kishkas to hold a seminar like this for the sheeple.  Does He really want them being given Data Series references to learn how to analyze data for outpoints and pluspoints, compare Ideal Scenes to existing scenes, determine situations and find Real Whys which open doors to handlings?  Isn&#8217;t that kind of dangerous for Him? I would think it would be dangerous for Him to have his obedient bots even able to recognize differences, similarities and identities.  I&#8217;m surprised He&#8217;s allowing it, frankly.</p>
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		By: Leonore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 20:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49806&quot;&gt;Worsel&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;If the Data-Series issues would be known, that would be the end of DM. No one who understood and applied them would accept any of the nonsense.&quot; 

I agree strongly with your quote above.  

This got me thinking about David Miscavige&#039;s Sea Org &quot;study time.&quot;  A few days ago we saw photos of David Miscavige&#039;s posh Library (looking very sterile and unused) with a comment that this was where he (supposedly) does his &quot;2.5 hours a day&quot; study time. 

Assuming he actually does study time, who are his course supervisors, word clearers, examiners, etc.? 

My bet is that:
1) He rarely, if ever, does study time.
2) When he does, he shuts the door and falls asleep more often than not.
3) When he does take enhancement time - being that he is so busy - it is a massage, tanning session, facial or hair service, fitting with the tailor, or stiff drink with a movie or private untrackable wireless access.

It used to be one could walk into Qual and get quick access to almost any policy or reference.  I remember checking out tapes at an outer org to take home to listen to after hours (energy of youth)!  I haven&#039;t been in an org for a long time, but I suspect Qual Div staff would be more than suspicious if one went on a personal in depth study of the Data Series or any Ideal Org references and started asking too many questions.

As with so many things, the Data Series is just  &quot;old and something we don&#039;t use anymore.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/another-seminar-david-miscavige/#comment-49806">Worsel</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the Data-Series issues would be known, that would be the end of DM. No one who understood and applied them would accept any of the nonsense.&#8221; </p>
<p>I agree strongly with your quote above.  </p>
<p>This got me thinking about David Miscavige&#8217;s Sea Org &#8220;study time.&#8221;  A few days ago we saw photos of David Miscavige&#8217;s posh Library (looking very sterile and unused) with a comment that this was where he (supposedly) does his &#8220;2.5 hours a day&#8221; study time. </p>
<p>Assuming he actually does study time, who are his course supervisors, word clearers, examiners, etc.? </p>
<p>My bet is that:<br />
1) He rarely, if ever, does study time.<br />
2) When he does, he shuts the door and falls asleep more often than not.<br />
3) When he does take enhancement time &#8211; being that he is so busy &#8211; it is a massage, tanning session, facial or hair service, fitting with the tailor, or stiff drink with a movie or private untrackable wireless access.</p>
<p>It used to be one could walk into Qual and get quick access to almost any policy or reference.  I remember checking out tapes at an outer org to take home to listen to after hours (energy of youth)!  I haven&#8217;t been in an org for a long time, but I suspect Qual Div staff would be more than suspicious if one went on a personal in depth study of the Data Series or any Ideal Org references and started asking too many questions.</p>
<p>As with so many things, the Data Series is just  &#8220;old and something we don&#8217;t use anymore.&#8221;</p>
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