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		By: simone		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is one Scientologists at Nova: CHIP HARDY (the owner)]]></description>
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		By: simone		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2023 22:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1043&quot;&gt;PlainOldThetan&lt;/a&gt;.

There is one Scientologists at Nova: CHIP HARDY (the owner)]]></description>
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<p>There is one Scientologists at Nova: CHIP HARDY (the owner)</p>
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		By: Bluebonnet		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought it was all being done by SO.  They are paying outside contractors this kind of money?  I bet members of the RCS can&#039;t even work on the jobs.  Sorry.  This comes as another shocking disappointment.  Silly me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was all being done by SO.  They are paying outside contractors this kind of money?  I bet members of the RCS can&#8217;t even work on the jobs.  Sorry.  This comes as another shocking disappointment.  Silly me.</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1027&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine said, &quot;Sacrifice the people to preserve the Mest to attain Eternal Life.&quot;  Exactly!  Reminds me of the building of the pyramids on the backs of slaves who died in the process and burying the Pharoah with his gold and mest and they all thought that got them eternal life.  We&#039;re just repeating the sequence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1027">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine said, &#8220;Sacrifice the people to preserve the Mest to attain Eternal Life.&#8221;  Exactly!  Reminds me of the building of the pyramids on the backs of slaves who died in the process and burying the Pharoah with his gold and mest and they all thought that got them eternal life.  We&#8217;re just repeating the sequence.</p>
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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1027&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Sacrifice the people to preserve the Mest to attain Eternal Life.&quot;  Well said Aquamarine.  Reminds me of Egyptian days and Pharoahs buried with their gold and pyramids built by slaves who died in the process.]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Sacrifice the people to preserve the Mest to attain Eternal Life.&#8221;  Well said Aquamarine.  Reminds me of Egyptian days and Pharoahs buried with their gold and pyramids built by slaves who died in the process.</p>
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		By: Mike Laws		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1034&quot;&gt;Starman8&lt;/a&gt;.

Starman, you are right.  I got too excited and dropped a decimal point on some of the later calculations, though check out the below.  My apology for my emotion overcoming math skill!!!

RTC building, Int Base, $75,000,000.00 for 38,000 square feet = $1,973.68 per square foot.  Granted this is one of DMs personal spaces, so must be nicer.

Freewinds price of $1,000,000 is too low for a complete ship renovations even to a minimal &quot;carnival&quot; type standard, the the foot is vessel length, not square feet of floor space which is obviously much higher.  As a general rule, anything on the water is a multiple of land construction prices.  We have one commercial vessel, and every repair or shipyard visit is a financial horror story!

To evaluate appropriate pricing, I find it useful to measure comparisons.  The following website tracks pricing for new church construction across the US.  In most instances I analyzed it would have been cheaper to build a new building than renovate as they did.

http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/rsmeans/models/church/

The other aspect of it is maintenance, over the past 14 years I have learned to budget 4-5% of the total asset cost, house, building, office, plant, landscaping, etc. for maintenance cost to maintain in a professional and 80-90% of new form.

Bathrooms and kitchens are the most expensive parts of renovation and remodeling.  I just re-did 3 bathrooms (4 toilets, 3 urinals, 2 kitchens 8 sinks for about $30,000.  Remolding 2,000 square feet of office space to an A standard cost about $15,000 including laminate wood floors, +/-80 power outlets and wiring, AC ducting repairs and modifications a half mile of cat 6 cabling and 40 Ethernet connections, new switches and routers professionally mounted in a tower.

Orgs are mostly carpet and drywall and open spaces, minimal power, minimal computer access.  Most have minimal kitchens, purif and bathrooms are the highest per square foot construction costs, see church numbers above, many of which (based on my observation) have similar space allocations.

Higher end hotels, for example, spend on average $4,000 per available room per year, see below.

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2006_3rd/Aug06_HotelMaint.html

And as an idea, what does industry find it costs to build hotels?

http://www.fixr.com/costs/build-hotel

People donating should be looking at this.  Donating millions to a venture that won&#039;t maintain the premises is pretty much criminal negligence.  Doing a massive renovation for a church and re-doing it for millions more in a few years is crazy.  Shows no respect for money!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1034">Starman8</a>.</p>
<p>Starman, you are right.  I got too excited and dropped a decimal point on some of the later calculations, though check out the below.  My apology for my emotion overcoming math skill!!!</p>
<p>RTC building, Int Base, $75,000,000.00 for 38,000 square feet = $1,973.68 per square foot.  Granted this is one of DMs personal spaces, so must be nicer.</p>
<p>Freewinds price of $1,000,000 is too low for a complete ship renovations even to a minimal &#8220;carnival&#8221; type standard, the the foot is vessel length, not square feet of floor space which is obviously much higher.  As a general rule, anything on the water is a multiple of land construction prices.  We have one commercial vessel, and every repair or shipyard visit is a financial horror story!</p>
<p>To evaluate appropriate pricing, I find it useful to measure comparisons.  The following website tracks pricing for new church construction across the US.  In most instances I analyzed it would have been cheaper to build a new building than renovate as they did.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/rsmeans/models/church/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/rsmeans/models/church/</a></p>
<p>The other aspect of it is maintenance, over the past 14 years I have learned to budget 4-5% of the total asset cost, house, building, office, plant, landscaping, etc. for maintenance cost to maintain in a professional and 80-90% of new form.</p>
<p>Bathrooms and kitchens are the most expensive parts of renovation and remodeling.  I just re-did 3 bathrooms (4 toilets, 3 urinals, 2 kitchens 8 sinks for about $30,000.  Remolding 2,000 square feet of office space to an A standard cost about $15,000 including laminate wood floors, +/-80 power outlets and wiring, AC ducting repairs and modifications a half mile of cat 6 cabling and 40 Ethernet connections, new switches and routers professionally mounted in a tower.</p>
<p>Orgs are mostly carpet and drywall and open spaces, minimal power, minimal computer access.  Most have minimal kitchens, purif and bathrooms are the highest per square foot construction costs, see church numbers above, many of which (based on my observation) have similar space allocations.</p>
<p>Higher end hotels, for example, spend on average $4,000 per available room per year, see below.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2006_3rd/Aug06_HotelMaint.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2006_3rd/Aug06_HotelMaint.html</a></p>
<p>And as an idea, what does industry find it costs to build hotels?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fixr.com/costs/build-hotel" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fixr.com/costs/build-hotel</a></p>
<p>People donating should be looking at this.  Donating millions to a venture that won&#8217;t maintain the premises is pretty much criminal negligence.  Doing a massive renovation for a church and re-doing it for millions more in a few years is crazy.  Shows no respect for money!</p>
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		By: PlainOldThetan		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1043</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PlainOldThetan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1025&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

It may not be that there&#039;s Scientologists at Nova. It may be that Nova was the only company that would agree to the horrendous and silly non-disclosure agreements.]]></description>
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<p>It may not be that there&#8217;s Scientologists at Nova. It may be that Nova was the only company that would agree to the horrendous and silly non-disclosure agreements.</p>
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		By: PlainOldThetan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PlainOldThetan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1020&quot;&gt;Karen#1&lt;/a&gt;.

Hrrrrumpf. Fifteen years ago I helped out AOLA with a PTS interview on someone who had &quot;been arriving&quot; for her OT levels for nearly 20 years. During the interview it came up she can&#039;t start on her OT levels because of &quot;money problems&quot;. So I dug into that and discovered she had $250,000 of ASI numbered prints in a canvas sack under her bed. Turned out she couldn&#039;t sell them because the value plummeted as soon as she drove them off the lot (took delivery of them from ASI). So I asked who was keeping her from going up the Bridge. She gave me the name of her ASI &quot;registrar&quot;, blew down, and F/Ned. The church had in essence stolen all the money she needed to go from Clear to OTV!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1020">Karen#1</a>.</p>
<p>Hrrrrumpf. Fifteen years ago I helped out AOLA with a PTS interview on someone who had &#8220;been arriving&#8221; for her OT levels for nearly 20 years. During the interview it came up she can&#8217;t start on her OT levels because of &#8220;money problems&#8221;. So I dug into that and discovered she had $250,000 of ASI numbered prints in a canvas sack under her bed. Turned out she couldn&#8217;t sell them because the value plummeted as soon as she drove them off the lot (took delivery of them from ASI). So I asked who was keeping her from going up the Bridge. She gave me the name of her ASI &#8220;registrar&#8221;, blew down, and F/Ned. The church had in essence stolen all the money she needed to go from Clear to OTV!</p>
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		By: PlainOldThetan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PlainOldThetan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 04:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1020&quot;&gt;Karen#1&lt;/a&gt;.

Hrrrrumpf. Fifteen years ago I did a metered PTS interview on a woman who was having &quot;money problems&quot; getting onto her OT levels. When I probed, I found out she had $250,000 worth of those ASI prints a giant stack under her bed (wrapped in plastic) but couldn&#039;t sell them to pay for her OT Preps (no way to recoup the original $$$ as they had plummeted in worth the moment she drove them off the lot). I probed further and asked who was responsible for her not being able to get on her OT levels, she gave me the name of the ASI salesman, blew down and F/Ned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1020">Karen#1</a>.</p>
<p>Hrrrrumpf. Fifteen years ago I did a metered PTS interview on a woman who was having &#8220;money problems&#8221; getting onto her OT levels. When I probed, I found out she had $250,000 worth of those ASI prints a giant stack under her bed (wrapped in plastic) but couldn&#8217;t sell them to pay for her OT Preps (no way to recoup the original $$$ as they had plummeted in worth the moment she drove them off the lot). I probed further and asked who was responsible for her not being able to get on her OT levels, she gave me the name of the ASI salesman, blew down and F/Ned.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/ashamed-to-be-associated-with-the-rcs/#comment-1010&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

My intuition says the costs are a lie and some money is being sacked else where.]]></description>
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<p>My intuition says the costs are a lie and some money is being sacked else where.</p>
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