I’ve seen some references that the LA advanced org (AOLA) might be “Saint Hill size,” and Flag in Clearwater likely is as well. But it’s impossible now for any local org to achieve, and was never possible for those orgs to attain without an artificial “stat push” that would inevitably result in a crash before long.

Indeed, Saint Hill was in some ways never really Saint Hill size – it was Hubbard headquarters size, with the accident-of-circumstances addition of a group of foreigners due to temporary legal circumstances. I don’t know how long it lasted at that size, but I bet it roughly coincides with the start of the Scientology ban in Australia in 1965, and ended around the time Hubbard went to sea in 1967.

As I’ve noted elsewhere – though I initially based estimates on Flag prices, while local orgs are much cheaper than I realized* – actually achieving the 1,000 WDAH weekly, would mean an org selling about 100 12.5 hour intensives at around $2,500 each – every week, 52 weeks a year (which would require a huge number of members willing to spend large amounts annually). Maybe that’s why management uses figures like 10X and 47X – local orgs would have to increase their volume by those sorts of multiples to actually achieve “Saint Hill size,” but breaking it down further reveals that it’s beyond unrealistic.

* Recent local org prices posted at https://tonyortega.org/2017/08/09/hey-moneybags-scientology-has-a-bridge-to-sell-you-heres-the-new-price-list/

p.s. Also, for a reality check, here are some figures from Portland a couple of years ago, during the “birthday game” stat push – the “day” org had 100 WDAH and $35,000 GI, apparently over a couple of weeks, compared to the 1,000 WDAH (10x) and $200,000 GI (6x) the whole org would have to achieve weekly.

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-portland-truthful-numbers/

I’ve always wondered : is any org in the world Saint Hill Size for real ? My guess is not even one org is stably so. Flag is a hoax because as many have explained, it sucks public from lower level orgs and has many staff coming in for training. And Flag probably never had 5x stats! So if the “mecca” can’t do it, who can? And by the way, how long has Saint Hill remained Saint Hill size? It is quite stunning that LRH did not analyze why Saint Hill failed to retain its Saint Hill size. He would have realized that it was only his personal presence, with exclusive conferences, courses, etc, that could attract scientologists from lower level orgs (like Flag), and in no way a real steady growth, with a constant influx of new public. So in a way, not even LRH was able to bring any org steadily to Saint Hill size. Quitte a con all the way through !

One of the problems I had with the whole area of assists was the unspoken but palpable expectation that these assists were magical cures. It seemed that if you audit one on the death or pregnancy or trauma, you’re removing all the earlier similars and connected Mis-Emotion… so now the “PT” thing shouldn’t bother you at all.

This was particularly evident when there was a death. If someone didn’t just get over the death they were “dramatizing the loss” or “hanging onto mis-emotion” And if you’re still sad, well you should just go back in session.

It could even get into an ethics sit. If you were upset about the death after having been audited, it was an ethics sit. You HAD sessions, and got your ARCX handled, so why hang onto entheta emotions? It’s a Ser Fac for attention… the person dropped their body and moved on, if your KSW is IN then this is not a cause for lingering emotion…

If it was WOG death, then you’re doubly in dutch – why upset over a wog death? It’s not like they were a valuable contributing group member….

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bit more than what might follow from your simple comment… 🙂 Good Morning.

Aqua, great point – we’re talking about the sort of people who really thought OTs brought down the Berlin Wall!

I appreciate your ponderings about magical thinking. That’s a really useful insight, about how their “postulate” based thinking actually leads them to reject rational analysis as a threat to their belief system – I’ve seen that, too.

In a sort of typical organizational dynamic, there was a time when being “unreasonable” worked for Scientology (and for Hubbard) – particularly in the early days when the world around them was actively seeking the sort of things they claimed to offer; and then a bit later when the missions got away for a while with promising customers anything, and not worrying about sales tricks like facilitating fraudulent loans to finance auditing. But times, and the world around them, have changed, and they’re failing to adapt.

jere, good catch. It’s been more obvious in other promo pieces, that the small and failing orgs often rely heavily on a handful of families, and extended families, for their remaining business – and also, for staff.

It’s an interesting indicator of the actual sorry state of an org with such stratospheric ambitions, that all of their success stories, and presumably a large part of their completions, probably come from one family.

And then Scientology would have a public uproar on their hands, and demands for investigation and regulation. Oh, and also enough dissatisfied people demanding refunds and with other typical grievances, to actually make up a picket line outside the org.

That’s actually sort of what happened in places, when Scientology did really boom in its heyday, as the baby boomers were coming of age and seeking out counter-cultural approaches to life. But Scientology has struggled with the fatal flaws of Hubbard’s “tech” and his organizational approach throughout its history, and I think Miscavige is deliberately trying to handle those problems by keeping auditing limited and restricted, and centralized as much as possible at locations like Flag where they have complete control.

p.s. There’s an old piece by Stacy Young that I think is very even-handed, but gets to the pitfalls of auditing, particularly when it comes to regression and the risk (or likelihood) of inducing false memories:
https://www.lermanet.com/exit/onauditingbystacy.htm

I never paid attention to her name, AnonS. At the time, youngish, thirty-ish or possibly a young 40, slim, medium height, brown hair about collar bone length…that’s all I recall.

I get the impression, there’s only one Auditor delivering Auditing.the big income earners ( Auditors) are non exist ant.
Id like to help , but Ive got a ,license to chill, Surf to be ridden, Music played , and Bass guitars to be bought, Its tough at the top, but its a Ideal situation,
Granitt.

WAYC:

“If scientology had a soundtrack it would be crickets chirping.

“If scientology had a video that encompassed the current state of scientology, it would be a five second shot of a tumbleweed blown across a barren desert.”

LOVE THE visuals those evoke.