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		By: Hiatus57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“We pay $1000-$2000 per week and you get Bridge and auditor and admin training to Class 8 totally free.”

Where do I sign?

the best pay Ldn Day ever got was £35 each and this was a record LOL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We pay $1000-$2000 per week and you get Bridge and auditor and admin training to Class 8 totally free.”</p>
<p>Where do I sign?</p>
<p>the best pay Ldn Day ever got was £35 each and this was a record LOL</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66675</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66510&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Great stories Aqua, Indie8 &#038; Cotch!  I&#039;d love to see some US orgs go rogue like the org in Haifa, Israel.  The parishioners did pay for them after all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66510">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Great stories Aqua, Indie8 &amp; Cotch!  I&#8217;d love to see some US orgs go rogue like the org in Haifa, Israel.  The parishioners did pay for them after all.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66506&quot;&gt;WhiteStar&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting points WhiteStar and Cars.]]></description>
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<p>Interesting points WhiteStar and Cars.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foolproof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 04:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66523&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

And what is even more horrendous is that having the nerve to say &quot;why are the course rooms and the Orgs empty?&quot; is considered an &quot;enemy line&quot; and that the person asking such straightforward questions is &quot;not with the program&quot;. In other words you cannot even ask &quot;why are the (real) stats down?&quot; Obviously those criticizing this &quot;enemy line&quot; are working on some other stat and it is not getting auditors trained and people into session. Such is straight out of Orwell&#039;s 1984 book. Now if one thinks about this and what it actually means we can then draw the battle lines, can we not? We can simply ask &quot;who wants empty Orgs and no auditors being trained?&quot; and there is the &quot;enemy in sight&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66523">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>And what is even more horrendous is that having the nerve to say &#8220;why are the course rooms and the Orgs empty?&#8221; is considered an &#8220;enemy line&#8221; and that the person asking such straightforward questions is &#8220;not with the program&#8221;. In other words you cannot even ask &#8220;why are the (real) stats down?&#8221; Obviously those criticizing this &#8220;enemy line&#8221; are working on some other stat and it is not getting auditors trained and people into session. Such is straight out of Orwell&#8217;s 1984 book. Now if one thinks about this and what it actually means we can then draw the battle lines, can we not? We can simply ask &#8220;who wants empty Orgs and no auditors being trained?&#8221; and there is the &#8220;enemy in sight&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Foolproof		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66523&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Reply to indie8million: It seems that that young staff member has been fed a line by someone. I think one can see in this little microcosm incident what has been generally going on in the macrocosm that is &quot;Scientology&quot; these days. The old guard must be nullified and replaced with newer ones that don&#039;t have a clue as to what  has occurred in the past, and thus won&#039;t ask questions. The (3rd Party) line - usually from some dude who is raking in a weekly 10% commissions vested interest scam - to the young naive staff member, will have been something like &quot;Oh! These old-timers, always nattering about the &#039;good old days&#039; and (not having) full course rooms and donations. They should donate more.&quot; I think that would be a fair assumption of mine. Something like that. The young staff member was obviously struggling with his received false data from his elected &quot;authority&quot;, who was probably some criminal IAS Reg driving a sports car and eating relatively well (and thus the young staff member &quot;looks up to him or her&quot;). Never mind the &quot;blind leading the blind&quot;, what has actually happened is that DM has shot those who can and could see and then poked his fingers in the eyes of those who might see in future. And quite a few have jumped on this criminal bandwagon and are taking home their 10%s every week, staff and public. Thing is one can&#039;t shoot a thetan. We are still here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66523">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Reply to indie8million: It seems that that young staff member has been fed a line by someone. I think one can see in this little microcosm incident what has been generally going on in the macrocosm that is &#8220;Scientology&#8221; these days. The old guard must be nullified and replaced with newer ones that don&#8217;t have a clue as to what  has occurred in the past, and thus won&#8217;t ask questions. The (3rd Party) line &#8211; usually from some dude who is raking in a weekly 10% commissions vested interest scam &#8211; to the young naive staff member, will have been something like &#8220;Oh! These old-timers, always nattering about the &#8216;good old days&#8217; and (not having) full course rooms and donations. They should donate more.&#8221; I think that would be a fair assumption of mine. Something like that. The young staff member was obviously struggling with his received false data from his elected &#8220;authority&#8221;, who was probably some criminal IAS Reg driving a sports car and eating relatively well (and thus the young staff member &#8220;looks up to him or her&#8221;). Never mind the &#8220;blind leading the blind&#8221;, what has actually happened is that DM has shot those who can and could see and then poked his fingers in the eyes of those who might see in future. And quite a few have jumped on this criminal bandwagon and are taking home their 10%s every week, staff and public. Thing is one can&#8217;t shoot a thetan. We are still here.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 00:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66523&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Foolproof - thanks so much! 

Yeah, I&#039;ve talked with old timers (those who got in in about &#039;90 or before) and reminisced about how much fun it was. Just naturally, the conversation comes to how it is now. I say, &quot;Wouldn&#039;t it be great if it was still like that?&quot; or &quot;I don&#039;t know what happened...it used to be HARD to find a seat on course. You had to come early.&quot;

I imagine that it would have some effect on the youngers if you talked about the &quot;good old days&quot; and how there were so many people on course and in auditing every evening and weekend - and the days were no slouch either!

It&#039;s funny. I actually talked to a young staff member one time and he let it slip that the &quot;older Scientologists&quot; just didn&#039;t have it in them anymore to make things happen. I stopped him and asked him why he held that opinion. 

It was interesting to watch him because you could see that he had accepted this opinion without inspection.

I say that because, he got a very blank look. He stammered. &quot;Well,&quot; he says, &quot;I don&#039;t know why but I guess because they&#039;re older and they don&#039;t have so much energy anymore...&quot; Total glib answer.

I said, &quot;Yes, but the older people really know the tech and they contribute to expansion in that way, to help govern and direct the people with not as much experience. What about that?&quot;

&quot;Well, I guess that would be true.&quot; he said with a sound in his voice like Beaver (Leave it to Beaver TV show) when he&#039;d say, &quot;Gee Wally...&quot;

hahaha

Poor kid. I shook his stable datum. 

Thanks again, Foolproof. I think that the new renaissance of Scientology in the Indie field is really going to help some people. We don&#039;t have to be heroes. We just can choose to do the right thing and help people when we can - and help each other. And help the others come out to the new island of succor - away from that corporate sea of insanity. Whaddayathink?

Gee Wally:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5jRKp_I11w]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66523">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Foolproof &#8211; thanks so much! </p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve talked with old timers (those who got in in about &#8217;90 or before) and reminisced about how much fun it was. Just naturally, the conversation comes to how it is now. I say, &#8220;Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if it was still like that?&#8221; or &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what happened&#8230;it used to be HARD to find a seat on course. You had to come early.&#8221;</p>
<p>I imagine that it would have some effect on the youngers if you talked about the &#8220;good old days&#8221; and how there were so many people on course and in auditing every evening and weekend &#8211; and the days were no slouch either!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny. I actually talked to a young staff member one time and he let it slip that the &#8220;older Scientologists&#8221; just didn&#8217;t have it in them anymore to make things happen. I stopped him and asked him why he held that opinion. </p>
<p>It was interesting to watch him because you could see that he had accepted this opinion without inspection.</p>
<p>I say that because, he got a very blank look. He stammered. &#8220;Well,&#8221; he says, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know why but I guess because they&#8217;re older and they don&#8217;t have so much energy anymore&#8230;&#8221; Total glib answer.</p>
<p>I said, &#8220;Yes, but the older people really know the tech and they contribute to expansion in that way, to help govern and direct the people with not as much experience. What about that?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, I guess that would be true.&#8221; he said with a sound in his voice like Beaver (Leave it to Beaver TV show) when he&#8217;d say, &#8220;Gee Wally&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>hahaha</p>
<p>Poor kid. I shook his stable datum. </p>
<p>Thanks again, Foolproof. I think that the new renaissance of Scientology in the Indie field is really going to help some people. We don&#8217;t have to be heroes. We just can choose to do the right thing and help people when we can &#8211; and help each other. And help the others come out to the new island of succor &#8211; away from that corporate sea of insanity. Whaddayathink?</p>
<p>Gee Wally:  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5jRKp_I11w" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5jRKp_I11w</a></p>
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		By: Cindy Pl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy Pl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66647&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aquamarine,

I would like to think I am the South Coast Missions biggest flagger of their ads! I am one very upset Mom that just wants her daughter back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66647">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aquamarine,</p>
<p>I would like to think I am the South Coast Missions biggest flagger of their ads! I am one very upset Mom that just wants her daughter back.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66582&quot;&gt;Cindy Pl&lt;/a&gt;.

Cindy Pl, over at the Bunker there are people dedicated to flagging deceptive Scientology bait and switch ads which never mention that they are delivering Scientology. They call it &quot;Red X ing&quot; the ads.  I don&#039;t know how it works but you might want to check it out and possibly contribute to this motion.  There are some of them posting there who are, if you&#039;ll pardon the pun, religious about doing this. If the ad says the word &quot;Scientology&quot; or &quot;Dianetics&quot;, they leave it alone, but if it doesn&#039;t, they Red X it, and share their wins about doing so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66582">Cindy Pl</a>.</p>
<p>Cindy Pl, over at the Bunker there are people dedicated to flagging deceptive Scientology bait and switch ads which never mention that they are delivering Scientology. They call it &#8220;Red X ing&#8221; the ads.  I don&#8217;t know how it works but you might want to check it out and possibly contribute to this motion.  There are some of them posting there who are, if you&#8217;ll pardon the pun, religious about doing this. If the ad says the word &#8220;Scientology&#8221; or &#8220;Dianetics&#8221;, they leave it alone, but if it doesn&#8217;t, they Red X it, and share their wins about doing so.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66591&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I&#039;ve gotten more auditing in the last couple of years than I did in the previous 20&quot;.

Indie8, that&#039;s GREAT! Makes me happy to know that this is possible when I&#039;m ready, which should be in a year or so.

Also love, &quot;You know me - I&#039;m not a cycle&quot;. 

No money for auditing...we had angels over our shoulders, Indie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66591">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve gotten more auditing in the last couple of years than I did in the previous 20&#8221;.</p>
<p>Indie8, that&#8217;s GREAT! Makes me happy to know that this is possible when I&#8217;m ready, which should be in a year or so.</p>
<p>Also love, &#8220;You know me &#8211; I&#8217;m not a cycle&#8221;. </p>
<p>No money for auditing&#8230;we had angels over our shoulders, Indie.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66591&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Here are some interesting stat graphs over the years. I&#039;m not sure if this includes the mission network:

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/source/analysissummary.html

http://www.lermanet.com/howmany.htm See the Flag stats]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/bait-and-switch/#comment-66591">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Here are some interesting stat graphs over the years. I&#8217;m not sure if this includes the mission network:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/source/analysissummary.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/source/analysissummary.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.lermanet.com/howmany.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.lermanet.com/howmany.htm</a> See the Flag stats</p>
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