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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann B Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 19:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136959&quot;&gt;Doug Sprinkle&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Doug, That is what I like about being out.So many new ideas and it is so good to be able to have them.xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136959">Doug Sprinkle</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Doug, That is what I like about being out.So many new ideas and it is so good to be able to have them.xo</p>
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		By: Doug Sprinkle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Sprinkle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136948&quot;&gt;Ann B Watson&lt;/a&gt;.

Who am I to say what is possible.  Maybe there are some people with this ability, but I doubt if they are scientologists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136948">Ann B Watson</a>.</p>
<p>Who am I to say what is possible.  Maybe there are some people with this ability, but I doubt if they are scientologists.</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann B Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136818&quot;&gt;Doug Sprinkle&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Doug, You have me on your thread today.Another great post.I used to do the time thing during cleaning stations at Asho and I got fast at them.But if muster ran over,I had my Ron Aided thought they I could slow all the clocks down.Did it work? That particular attempt no,but saw some amazing auras around a very few SOer at D &#038; Fdn who glowed in the dark! XOAnn B.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136818">Doug Sprinkle</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Doug, You have me on your thread today.Another great post.I used to do the time thing during cleaning stations at Asho and I got fast at them.But if muster ran over,I had my Ron Aided thought they I could slow all the clocks down.Did it work? That particular attempt no,but saw some amazing auras around a very few SOer at D &amp; Fdn who glowed in the dark! XOAnn B.</p>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136866&quot;&gt;FOTF2012&lt;/a&gt;.

FOTF2012, forget an OT or even a Clear.  Hell even someone who could demonstrate the E.P. of Grade 1 would cause an complete stampede that would fill every &quot;Ideal Org&quot; is 5 minutes.  

But alas, Every major part of the &quot;bridge&quot; in scamology was a complete lie.]]></description>
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<p>FOTF2012, forget an OT or even a Clear.  Hell even someone who could demonstrate the E.P. of Grade 1 would cause an complete stampede that would fill every &#8220;Ideal Org&#8221; is 5 minutes.  </p>
<p>But alas, Every major part of the &#8220;bridge&#8221; in scamology was a complete lie.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2016 04:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136819&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Kudos to you, Indie 8 Million.  That is so cool that you have gotten some people out.  Keep doing what you&#039;re doing and get more out.  This is almost like the underground railroad and Harriet Tubman.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136819">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Kudos to you, Indie 8 Million.  That is so cool that you have gotten some people out.  Keep doing what you&#8217;re doing and get more out.  This is almost like the underground railroad and Harriet Tubman.</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Yawnalot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 23:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136810&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

:)]]></description>
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<p>🙂</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Yawnalot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 23:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136819&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Good to hear Indie. Some game hey? But when a plan comes off = nice!]]></description>
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<p>Good to hear Indie. Some game hey? But when a plan comes off = nice!</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOTF2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientology abjectly fails to note the obvious: if even a single full OT could demonstrate the abilities of those levels to scientists and the public, Scientology would indeed be unstoppable. 

One OT, operating exterior with full &quot;perceptics&quot; (all 50 plus!) could see all the visible and non-visible wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation, could navigate through pitch black using the Earth&#039;s magnetic field, could go through anything, and could see anything whether near or far. And per Hubbard&#039;s original description, could mock up matter both subjectively and objectively. All money problems would be solved! Just have that OT mock up a new little pile of gold every day or week. 

I think Hubbard believed some of what he taught, envisioned the final result and sold it to become rich and powerful, and then tried desperately but with total failure to create a bridge that actually brought people to achievement of the vision. 

Scientology makes fantastic claims. By doing so it has the burden -- which it has not owned up to -- to provide evidence of its fantastic claims. The only evidence seen is anecdotal and/or trivial in comparison to the claims. Therefore, Scientology can be rightly assumed to either be (a) a fraud or (b) a group that is withholding evidence to prove great achievements that would indeed change mankind. Since the group purports to be saving mankind, option (b) is improbable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology abjectly fails to note the obvious: if even a single full OT could demonstrate the abilities of those levels to scientists and the public, Scientology would indeed be unstoppable. </p>
<p>One OT, operating exterior with full &#8220;perceptics&#8221; (all 50 plus!) could see all the visible and non-visible wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation, could navigate through pitch black using the Earth&#8217;s magnetic field, could go through anything, and could see anything whether near or far. And per Hubbard&#8217;s original description, could mock up matter both subjectively and objectively. All money problems would be solved! Just have that OT mock up a new little pile of gold every day or week. </p>
<p>I think Hubbard believed some of what he taught, envisioned the final result and sold it to become rich and powerful, and then tried desperately but with total failure to create a bridge that actually brought people to achievement of the vision. </p>
<p>Scientology makes fantastic claims. By doing so it has the burden &#8212; which it has not owned up to &#8212; to provide evidence of its fantastic claims. The only evidence seen is anecdotal and/or trivial in comparison to the claims. Therefore, Scientology can be rightly assumed to either be (a) a fraud or (b) a group that is withholding evidence to prove great achievements that would indeed change mankind. Since the group purports to be saving mankind, option (b) is improbable.</p>
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		By: Old Surfer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Surfer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136824&quot;&gt;Xenu&#039;s Son&lt;/a&gt;.

They take everything they can from you and once they realized you can be of no service to them anymore, you&#039;re kicked to the curb.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136824">Xenu&#8217;s Son</a>.</p>
<p>They take everything they can from you and once they realized you can be of no service to them anymore, you&#8217;re kicked to the curb.</p>
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		By: I Yawnalot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I Yawnalot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136809&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Dude. The real scene is far from easy tho. It was the drastic health issue which I accidentally discovered and realized no one wanted to know about - the poor girl was and is quite sick, her liver is failing, that isn&#039;t good. She&#039;s family for fucks sake so I stepped in! But at least now medical evidence can&#039;t be refuted and the OT masters have been shunted into an uneasy silence. I&#039;ve been very close close to really getting in their faces about negligence but promised my daughter in law I&#039;d back off for the time being and let her workout a handling, she has to live with them regardless. I&#039;ve suggested a change of address should be considered. 
The long term effect of those &quot;OTs&quot; and their bs actually put the poor girl into some sort of guilt complex about being too scared she didn&#039;t measure up or some such nonsense. 
No wonder severe illness frequents the older, more long term scios.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/basics-vs-ot-tin-lizzie-and-macintosh/#comment-136809">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Dude. The real scene is far from easy tho. It was the drastic health issue which I accidentally discovered and realized no one wanted to know about &#8211; the poor girl was and is quite sick, her liver is failing, that isn&#8217;t good. She&#8217;s family for fucks sake so I stepped in! But at least now medical evidence can&#8217;t be refuted and the OT masters have been shunted into an uneasy silence. I&#8217;ve been very close close to really getting in their faces about negligence but promised my daughter in law I&#8217;d back off for the time being and let her workout a handling, she has to live with them regardless. I&#8217;ve suggested a change of address should be considered.<br />
The long term effect of those &#8220;OTs&#8221; and their bs actually put the poor girl into some sort of guilt complex about being too scared she didn&#8217;t measure up or some such nonsense.<br />
No wonder severe illness frequents the older, more long term scios.</p>
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