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		By: NNGrad		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-404058</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2021 06:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is the real axioms about deliver booklets 

Theres a 5 cents fee for each copy to author services if you want to print the booklets, most people would like the idea because it cost 10 cents each to print having a 85% reduction price.

But when you are ready to pay they ask a CSW explaining where are going to be delivered, who will going to deliver and so on, a 20 minute job

Once the CSW is uplines you will be being interrogated by OSA Staff about the cycle because they dont want to have a flap or an overt product and sugest to get an ethics ok from DLA at your nearest org, at this point you can had at least 20 to 30 (30 minute average) phone calls about how the cycle is going  

Then, you started to get whatever ethic handling they want, in order to get out of there ASAP, you ended up buying courses and materials recently relased by 6 time or donating to their ideal org and support a TWTH distribution in Haiti.

Once you get the ethics OK, they ask you to get 3 copies of the local printing when you are suppossed to use and those copies must be sent via UPS or DHL in order to they can get a copy and decide if they meet scientology printing standars

2 months later you are notified with an CSW/P because the printing is not the quality expected.

Unless you are going to print 1 million booklets is way far better to get the copies from Bridge Publications and pay a not cheap delivery company.

So if you plan to deliver those booklets in Bolivia you can pay 360 bucks for 36 packs and be ready to pay another 200 bucks for delivery and maybe customs taxes.

You can waist your time and money in a nonending 3 to 4 month cycle.

Thats how Scientology works, everybody is full of duties pretending they are helping to clearing the planet but not having a real honest cycle of action 

People who are willing to help are considered as potential troublemakers

Thats the mindset]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the real axioms about deliver booklets </p>
<p>Theres a 5 cents fee for each copy to author services if you want to print the booklets, most people would like the idea because it cost 10 cents each to print having a 85% reduction price.</p>
<p>But when you are ready to pay they ask a CSW explaining where are going to be delivered, who will going to deliver and so on, a 20 minute job</p>
<p>Once the CSW is uplines you will be being interrogated by OSA Staff about the cycle because they dont want to have a flap or an overt product and sugest to get an ethics ok from DLA at your nearest org, at this point you can had at least 20 to 30 (30 minute average) phone calls about how the cycle is going  </p>
<p>Then, you started to get whatever ethic handling they want, in order to get out of there ASAP, you ended up buying courses and materials recently relased by 6 time or donating to their ideal org and support a TWTH distribution in Haiti.</p>
<p>Once you get the ethics OK, they ask you to get 3 copies of the local printing when you are suppossed to use and those copies must be sent via UPS or DHL in order to they can get a copy and decide if they meet scientology printing standars</p>
<p>2 months later you are notified with an CSW/P because the printing is not the quality expected.</p>
<p>Unless you are going to print 1 million booklets is way far better to get the copies from Bridge Publications and pay a not cheap delivery company.</p>
<p>So if you plan to deliver those booklets in Bolivia you can pay 360 bucks for 36 packs and be ready to pay another 200 bucks for delivery and maybe customs taxes.</p>
<p>You can waist your time and money in a nonending 3 to 4 month cycle.</p>
<p>Thats how Scientology works, everybody is full of duties pretending they are helping to clearing the planet but not having a real honest cycle of action </p>
<p>People who are willing to help are considered as potential troublemakers</p>
<p>Thats the mindset</p>
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		By: Peridot		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403946</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peridot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403772&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

@Jere Lull: You said it: &quot;Since they&#039;re generally not liars, they wouldn&#039;t believe they were being so massively and constantly lied to by the people they most trust.&quot; 

Part of the 180 degree mind turn we each had to achieve to (wake up and) leave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403772">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>@Jere Lull: You said it: &#8220;Since they&#8217;re generally not liars, they wouldn&#8217;t believe they were being so massively and constantly lied to by the people they most trust.&#8221; </p>
<p>Part of the 180 degree mind turn we each had to achieve to (wake up and) leave.</p>
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		By: Real		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403798</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2021 15:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403778&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere, actually &quot;Ron&quot; created the policy that the only stat that matters is M-O-N-E-Y. Miscavige didn&#039;t create that but is following the Admin scale created by Hubbard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403778">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Jere, actually &#8220;Ron&#8221; created the policy that the only stat that matters is M-O-N-E-Y. Miscavige didn&#8217;t create that but is following the Admin scale created by Hubbard.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403202&quot;&gt;Loosing my Religion&lt;/a&gt;.

There IS no other stat than M-O-N-E-Y in the enterprise he has carved out of the organization that Ron built.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403202">Loosing my Religion</a>.</p>
<p>There IS no other stat than M-O-N-E-Y in the enterprise he has carved out of the organization that Ron built.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403271&quot;&gt;Cece&lt;/a&gt;.

Every dollar collected is more than they need, Cece.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403271">Cece</a>.</p>
<p>Every dollar collected is more than they need, Cece.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403275&quot;&gt;Todd Cray&lt;/a&gt;.

AFAICT, Everyone BUT the Dwarfenführer wants real expansion and delivery of services.  HE, on the other hand only cares that money keeps flowing into the coffers he controls.  Better is that there&#039;s no expectation that he actually has to do anything identifiable with that money, nothing to deliver, no courses, no advanced personal powers, none of the promises Ron made then broke.  All he has to do is lie like a psychopath, telling of fantastical effects his programs are creating and how his marks can get the abilities they dream of just by paying until they bleed, until they have crushing debts they&#039;ll be suffering from in *future* lifetimes. He actually claimed that his marks would get massive gains by donating  to his slush fund....  And Some DID, just to prove him right.<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403275">Todd Cray</a>.</p>
<p>AFAICT, Everyone BUT the Dwarfenführer wants real expansion and delivery of services.  HE, on the other hand only cares that money keeps flowing into the coffers he controls.  Better is that there&#8217;s no expectation that he actually has to do anything identifiable with that money, nothing to deliver, no courses, no advanced personal powers, none of the promises Ron made then broke.  All he has to do is lie like a psychopath, telling of fantastical effects his programs are creating and how his marks can get the abilities they dream of just by paying until they bleed, until they have crushing debts they&#8217;ll be suffering from in *future* lifetimes. He actually claimed that his marks would get massive gains by donating  to his slush fund&#8230;.  And Some DID, just to prove him right.🤣</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403774</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403318&quot;&gt;Gus Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

I half expect you&#039;re overestimating the costs involved; Sea Org staff are working for free.  Rice &#038; beans is really cheap, and their berthing would be condemned if L&#038;I had a reason to examine the facilities.  I&#039;ve semi-jokingly said that they might sometimes be jealous of the homeless living under the bridges and overpasses.  At a minimum, the hobos have more personal space, can enjoy the great outdoors, and it could well be cleaner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403318">Gus Cox</a>.</p>
<p>I half expect you&#8217;re overestimating the costs involved; Sea Org staff are working for free.  Rice &amp; beans is really cheap, and their berthing would be condemned if L&amp;I had a reason to examine the facilities.  I&#8217;ve semi-jokingly said that they might sometimes be jealous of the homeless living under the bridges and overpasses.  At a minimum, the hobos have more personal space, can enjoy the great outdoors, and it could well be cleaner.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403772</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403329&quot;&gt;Peridot&lt;/a&gt;.

Those &quot;in&quot; can&#039;t tell those things because they are too close to the situation to recognize that it&#039;s not normal behavior for a //church// to do those things.  All they can &quot;see&quot; is the party lines they&#039;re fed, each justifying the current actions being taken for the good of Teegeeack.  
Since they&#039;re generally not generally liers, they (we, a long time ago) wouldn&#039;t believe that they were being so massively and constantly being lied to by the people they most trust.  All that the Tiny Tyrant and his henchmen have to do is lie so big that no one would believe they&#039;d lie about such a thing; It HAD to have some truth behind it.
//Wrong!//]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403329">Peridot</a>.</p>
<p>Those &#8220;in&#8221; can&#8217;t tell those things because they are too close to the situation to recognize that it&#8217;s not normal behavior for a //church// to do those things.  All they can &#8220;see&#8221; is the party lines they&#8217;re fed, each justifying the current actions being taken for the good of Teegeeack.<br />
Since they&#8217;re generally not generally liers, they (we, a long time ago) wouldn&#8217;t believe that they were being so massively and constantly being lied to by the people they most trust.  All that the Tiny Tyrant and his henchmen have to do is lie so big that no one would believe they&#8217;d lie about such a thing; It HAD to have some truth behind it.<br />
//Wrong!//</p>
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		By: Dwarf Vader		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2021 07:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whole communities would be more &quot;WTH is this, if I wanted a religion to go to there&#039;s tons more to choose from than this&quot;. Which would be true. Bengalis are split between Hindu (mainly West Bengal) and Muslim (mainly in Bangladesh, though Bangladesh has Hindu and Buddhist minorities). The Subcontinent has given rise to NRMs of its own - TM, Osho, Prem Rawat, Hare Krishnas (generally accepted as a legitimate Hindu group).

Further east, Japan and Taiwan has a Scientology presence but not South Korea. I suspect the powerful Christian churches in South Korea, preoccupied with opposing what they see as heresy, may be acting as a powerful cultural barrier there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whole communities would be more &#8220;WTH is this, if I wanted a religion to go to there&#8217;s tons more to choose from than this&#8221;. Which would be true. Bengalis are split between Hindu (mainly West Bengal) and Muslim (mainly in Bangladesh, though Bangladesh has Hindu and Buddhist minorities). The Subcontinent has given rise to NRMs of its own &#8211; TM, Osho, Prem Rawat, Hare Krishnas (generally accepted as a legitimate Hindu group).</p>
<p>Further east, Japan and Taiwan has a Scientology presence but not South Korea. I suspect the powerful Christian churches in South Korea, preoccupied with opposing what they see as heresy, may be acting as a powerful cultural barrier there.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403415</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403268&quot;&gt;mwesten&lt;/a&gt;.

Right!  Hypnotic implants 75,000,000 years ago in places that didn&#039;t yet exist, when Homo erectus (our species) is less than 3 million years old.  Anatomically recognizable Humans were out and about perhaps 100,000 years ago at the earliest and there&#039;s NO evidence of anything he described having existed.  It&#039;s all a fanciful story, and one that self-evidently was false, impossible, yet &#039;true believers&#039;<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2122.png" alt="™" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> continue to contort their minds to 

 accept all those things and more as true in their poor, overwrought minds. No wonder everyone I knew who attested to OT III complained of the most horrible persistent headaches.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/begging-for-wth/#comment-403268">mwesten</a>.</p>
<p>Right!  Hypnotic implants 75,000,000 years ago in places that didn&#8217;t yet exist, when Homo erectus (our species) is less than 3 million years old.  Anatomically recognizable Humans were out and about perhaps 100,000 years ago at the earliest and there&#8217;s NO evidence of anything he described having existed.  It&#8217;s all a fanciful story, and one that self-evidently was false, impossible, yet &#8216;true believers&#8217;™ continue to contort their minds to </p>
<p> accept all those things and more as true in their poor, overwrought minds. No wonder everyone I knew who attested to OT III complained of the most horrible persistent headaches.</p>
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