My 2 cents: You are absolutely right. But trying to explain what TR0 is to someone who does not understand from personal experience is almost pointless. One gets the product by studying the materials and actually doing the drill. If someone thinks that confronting is staring he will never get the product. He is just learning to stare for 2 hours which will never get a PC interested in his own case and willing to talk to the auditor. What these people are disagreeing with is not Scn; it is what they think Scn is, which will not produce any results worth having. My guess is that LRH came up with KSW because there is an infinite number of ways to do the drill wrong and he knew that he would be Q and A ing endlessly with people’s ideas so he demanded that they just do the drill. In OTTR0 one is supposed to be there comfortably and do nothing else. Staring is an action. It is doing something else. Nowhere in the HCOB does LRH say to stare at anyone. An auditor who stares at a PC will never keep him in session.
It was much harder for me than most people probably to do the drill as I was dying of AIDS and had to figure out what I was doing other than being there comfortably.

Let me clarify that: I wonder if there is some kind of (NON-CULT) training out there that deals with this kind of stuff? Anybody know?

I’m totally with you on that, Joe. I feel the same way about what I did gain from being involved. Fortunately, I left with my family in tact, back in 1999.

Of course I am; I’ve said as much to you and to others here on multiple occasions.

The early 70’s 2-hour blinkless TR 0 was difficult to achieve and not necessary to becoming a good auditor. But it wasn’t nuts. It could be done. I did it, and so did most others on course with me at the time.

Yep Harpoona, it is ALWAYS the fault of the person. Never the “tek”.

I ought to write a free online book:

“Scientology, Way Cosmic Funnier-Quackier- Loonier Than You Thought”

and vent all my gripes.