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		By: Palle P.		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-147850&quot;&gt;pedrofcuk&lt;/a&gt;.

Cause over life untill you meet a hungry lion meating you. Then life is cause over you :-)

New OT5 and OT7: Ask the BT: What are you? Who are you? BT: I am myself. Free.
OT8: EP: You are not your BTs memories. And now interested in knowing who you really are.
OT9: Same as OT5, but this time ask not BTs but yourself, the what and who you are.
EP: I was a fool to pay. I am me. Bankrupt. There are no Free win, only Freewind and Sea Orgres.
OT10: Find out that you are not really you. And now interested in what you really are.
OT11: EP: I am nothing. Life that is not being. Nothing new, you have always been nothing :-)
OT15: Total Freedom. From scn and auditing, as OT15 is the last level.
The biggest win on any grade or level is not the level itself but completing it.
OT16: We will invent some more levels to blow your money out of your pocket.

Why limit solo processing to BTs? There are OTs, God, gods, the Devil, and devils (the Heaven, and the Hell OT games). And why run one OT/BT at a time when you can run them all at the same time. Unlimited space. Mutual as-isness. Cause over life is a group action. Not a one persons action. As that gives counter forces. BTs being dead and unconscious. You get what you consider is there.
And for heavens sake don&#039;t use the KRC Triangle. The last thing you want is Knowingness, Responsibility, and Control. You only want as-isness, true love and forgiveness. No Control, only free flow. But not so free that it kills you. E = mc2.

Auditors Code (you and all BTs): Don&#039;t hate the The Devil, or he won&#039;t as-is anything.
Tank you, Devil, for participating in the game. That may blow 1 million Evil Purposes per second. Where CoS used one hour to blow a few Evil Purposes.
Having gods to as-is can be a bit more difficult. Holy as they are. We only cast a few sinners into Hell, they deserved it.
Mental Image Pictures (Die an etics) is nothing compared to OT-force and OT-energy.
But mental image pictures are a lot safer to run, than OTs forces. Many OT7s lost their physical body just running BTs. Total Freedom from physical body. Yes why OT15 if OT7 can do it.

The problem with being an expert in mutual as-isness is, your space gets crowded whith OTs too eager to get freed. This is not case but eagerness. You need an automatic e-meter. No time to ajust the TA all the time when you get 750 divisions of TA per hour. Not for long. OT-force scares BTs, so they say stop. Also they hate OTs at cause over MEST. An OT at total cause over your MEST and life. No thanks. OT is a trap. We need to get higher.

Warning: Solo processing OTs instead of BTs can give chronic somatics that last for years, if the OTs target your body. Actually there are no BTs, only OTs who have invested their OTness in OT wars. Large groups. Pains from OTs can be switched on and off by thought alone. Right thought, no pain, wrong thought, sharp pain. Total cause over the pain center in your brain? Or are spirits real? Maybe your wife or husband is just a spiritless robot. You too :-)

Matter, Energy, Space, and Time, are created illusions. You are nowhere and everywhere. Being everywhere is Telepathy. But many OTs hate to face what they did. Telepathy shut down. Total forgiveness opens it. Unfortunatedly there are trillions and trillions of them. So if you only audit for your own benefit, they will use OT tricks to make you fail and believe that it is all fake Tech. Or they wil make you choose Tech that doesn&#039;t work. So far very successfull. But if your solo processing also helps them then they will be helpfull in as-isness.

I left CoS in 1984. Obnosis, a drill in the Academy, observing the obvious.
Those who stayed 40 years in CoS must have had a MU on Obnosis, it only took me 9 years :-)
But a day without solo processing is a wasted day. According to LRH. He may be right in that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-147850">pedrofcuk</a>.</p>
<p>Cause over life untill you meet a hungry lion meating you. Then life is cause over you 🙂</p>
<p>New OT5 and OT7: Ask the BT: What are you? Who are you? BT: I am myself. Free.<br />
OT8: EP: You are not your BTs memories. And now interested in knowing who you really are.<br />
OT9: Same as OT5, but this time ask not BTs but yourself, the what and who you are.<br />
EP: I was a fool to pay. I am me. Bankrupt. There are no Free win, only Freewind and Sea Orgres.<br />
OT10: Find out that you are not really you. And now interested in what you really are.<br />
OT11: EP: I am nothing. Life that is not being. Nothing new, you have always been nothing 🙂<br />
OT15: Total Freedom. From scn and auditing, as OT15 is the last level.<br />
The biggest win on any grade or level is not the level itself but completing it.<br />
OT16: We will invent some more levels to blow your money out of your pocket.</p>
<p>Why limit solo processing to BTs? There are OTs, God, gods, the Devil, and devils (the Heaven, and the Hell OT games). And why run one OT/BT at a time when you can run them all at the same time. Unlimited space. Mutual as-isness. Cause over life is a group action. Not a one persons action. As that gives counter forces. BTs being dead and unconscious. You get what you consider is there.<br />
And for heavens sake don&#8217;t use the KRC Triangle. The last thing you want is Knowingness, Responsibility, and Control. You only want as-isness, true love and forgiveness. No Control, only free flow. But not so free that it kills you. E = mc2.</p>
<p>Auditors Code (you and all BTs): Don&#8217;t hate the The Devil, or he won&#8217;t as-is anything.<br />
Tank you, Devil, for participating in the game. That may blow 1 million Evil Purposes per second. Where CoS used one hour to blow a few Evil Purposes.<br />
Having gods to as-is can be a bit more difficult. Holy as they are. We only cast a few sinners into Hell, they deserved it.<br />
Mental Image Pictures (Die an etics) is nothing compared to OT-force and OT-energy.<br />
But mental image pictures are a lot safer to run, than OTs forces. Many OT7s lost their physical body just running BTs. Total Freedom from physical body. Yes why OT15 if OT7 can do it.</p>
<p>The problem with being an expert in mutual as-isness is, your space gets crowded whith OTs too eager to get freed. This is not case but eagerness. You need an automatic e-meter. No time to ajust the TA all the time when you get 750 divisions of TA per hour. Not for long. OT-force scares BTs, so they say stop. Also they hate OTs at cause over MEST. An OT at total cause over your MEST and life. No thanks. OT is a trap. We need to get higher.</p>
<p>Warning: Solo processing OTs instead of BTs can give chronic somatics that last for years, if the OTs target your body. Actually there are no BTs, only OTs who have invested their OTness in OT wars. Large groups. Pains from OTs can be switched on and off by thought alone. Right thought, no pain, wrong thought, sharp pain. Total cause over the pain center in your brain? Or are spirits real? Maybe your wife or husband is just a spiritless robot. You too 🙂</p>
<p>Matter, Energy, Space, and Time, are created illusions. You are nowhere and everywhere. Being everywhere is Telepathy. But many OTs hate to face what they did. Telepathy shut down. Total forgiveness opens it. Unfortunatedly there are trillions and trillions of them. So if you only audit for your own benefit, they will use OT tricks to make you fail and believe that it is all fake Tech. Or they wil make you choose Tech that doesn&#8217;t work. So far very successfull. But if your solo processing also helps them then they will be helpfull in as-isness.</p>
<p>I left CoS in 1984. Obnosis, a drill in the Academy, observing the obvious.<br />
Those who stayed 40 years in CoS must have had a MU on Obnosis, it only took me 9 years 🙂<br />
But a day without solo processing is a wasted day. According to LRH. He may be right in that.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148153&quot;&gt;Espiando&lt;/a&gt;.

Espiando,
As a US military veteran USMC before I did any Scientology I always had trouble with the para military aspects of the Sea Org myself.  As a Heinlein Fan who has read every book Robert Heinlein wrote several times, and who owns all of his books, I&#039;d argue that you may have misread Starship troopers like most people do. Although for people that haven&#039;t actually read it, it&#039;s a common misconception that it is about a military society - it&#039;s about a society that goes to war against the &#039;bugs&#039;, but requires some form of Federal Service to acquire citizenship, not only Military. In the same way within the US government there are 7  uniformed services,some are not military at all, and do not fall under the department of defense. . 
Army. Department of Defense. ...
Navy. Department of Defense. ...
Air Force. Department of Defense. ...
Marine Corps. Department of Defense. ...

Coast Guard. ...
Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. ...
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps.

I strongly believe that elements of the US government took over Scientology. I have former USMC friends who work for US intelligence. One of my friends I met at the trial of the individual who had written the biography of LRH and left because of the difference between the C of S PR about LRH, and what he found when he examined the actual information.  My friend was there to monitor the trial for the CIA.  I talked to him on a break - he told me that I better not be involved in the C of S as parts of US intelligence were taking over the C of S, this was after I had resigned and left in 1982.   My friend was not sure why exactly why elements of the US government were involved, but he knew they were.  

It is probably true that this planet is involved in an proxy war from several alien et groups, but I don&#039;t think anything other  than Marcab is only part of that, and I don&#039;t think that Xenu is the top of the chain for all of that. There are lot&#039;s of bad actors, some organized in groups. 

I  know that not everyone has Inc I on their case.  Some don&#039;t have it because they are stuck in much earlier incidents, and aren&#039;t present enough for something like Inc I to even effect them.  This is just one Universe out of  a great many that exist now, and have existed before. 

I think the Ad Hominem attack on Bill , the tinfoil remark is in poor taste and not warranted.  I don&#039;t back Bill because he&#039;s my friend, although I&#039;m perfectly happy to drive a stake in the heart of anyone who attacks my friends, and burn their bodies. I am perfectly happy to be the biggest fucking monster anyone has ever seen in defense of my friends, and family.  Act in ways beyond the  imagination of Steven King, Edgar Allan Poe, and HP Lovecraft.  We Marines scare the evil that lives in the shadow of the Valley of Death, for good reason. 

Bill acted on what he saw for himself.  I support that.  Just as I act on what is true for me. That fact that is not true for you, doesn&#039;t have to lead to  attacks.  So, you have a disagreement. Fine - have it. Just don&#039;t take discussion of it to such pejorative levels. It&#039;s fine to state what Bill actually did, and let people draw their own conclusion. 

I agree that people should do the original OT IV, V, and VI, all based on 1952 - 1954 processes, and the goals plot for the Clearing Course (depending on which original OT IV you are talking about).  Bill put his bridge together level by level as you said, based on what he found on each level.  LRH based his original OT VI, V, and VI on ACC processes for Clears and OT&#039;s that were exterior to the body. 

Games basics, Games Series, Games Master Graduate, Source Operation Levels, and VAST (Viable application of Source Training) and VAST Plus all handle quite a bit of theta machinery, abilities and some very specific areas, including the body. All valuable to do.  It&#039;s not all the machinery there is. It&#039;s not all the abilities there are.  Beings have subjective machinery (things in your own mind and universe) and objective machinery (things shared - co-created in this and other universes), that still exists even after those levels.  

I finished with all of that by 2002. Since then I&#039;ve been addressing additional areas. 

These  involve running out your own valences, something pointed out in the 1st Melbourne ACC, your Rock chains - 1958 20th ACC, your own GPMS - SHSBC and L&#039;s theory , and  exercising  the exterior thetan as LRH suggested in the 1st - 8th ACC.  Dealing  with Pan determinism - handling co-created things, and multiple things.  Creating the dynamics, and having created them, be everyone involved in them, and get them to change by assuming their viewpoint. Improving  speed of particle flow, ability to hold  positions in space,  ability to obnose  and grant beingness. Ability to create energy.  Ability to create, uncreate, stop, change and start time. Running out your own auditing. Running out or restoring your ability to fully have incredible incidents.  Removing your use of any time track, restoring your ability to know what you did, were, and had at any point in the past or present time. 

The point isn&#039;t run out everything, it&#039;s to get to the point where you can completely have it or not, do it or not, and be it or not as you choose.  The OT version of 1946 Dianetics. 1946 Dianetics done by LRH did not erase the bank, it made the person so comfortable with it, he was not long affected by it in any way. It required too much judgement, and curiosity for most people to run on others. So LRH went with erasure, in my opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148153">Espiando</a>.</p>
<p>Espiando,<br />
As a US military veteran USMC before I did any Scientology I always had trouble with the para military aspects of the Sea Org myself.  As a Heinlein Fan who has read every book Robert Heinlein wrote several times, and who owns all of his books, I&#8217;d argue that you may have misread Starship troopers like most people do. Although for people that haven&#8217;t actually read it, it&#8217;s a common misconception that it is about a military society &#8211; it&#8217;s about a society that goes to war against the &#8216;bugs&#8217;, but requires some form of Federal Service to acquire citizenship, not only Military. In the same way within the US government there are 7  uniformed services,some are not military at all, and do not fall under the department of defense. .<br />
Army. Department of Defense. &#8230;<br />
Navy. Department of Defense. &#8230;<br />
Air Force. Department of Defense. &#8230;<br />
Marine Corps. Department of Defense. &#8230;</p>
<p>Coast Guard. &#8230;<br />
Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. &#8230;<br />
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps.</p>
<p>I strongly believe that elements of the US government took over Scientology. I have former USMC friends who work for US intelligence. One of my friends I met at the trial of the individual who had written the biography of LRH and left because of the difference between the C of S PR about LRH, and what he found when he examined the actual information.  My friend was there to monitor the trial for the CIA.  I talked to him on a break &#8211; he told me that I better not be involved in the C of S as parts of US intelligence were taking over the C of S, this was after I had resigned and left in 1982.   My friend was not sure why exactly why elements of the US government were involved, but he knew they were.  </p>
<p>It is probably true that this planet is involved in an proxy war from several alien et groups, but I don&#8217;t think anything other  than Marcab is only part of that, and I don&#8217;t think that Xenu is the top of the chain for all of that. There are lot&#8217;s of bad actors, some organized in groups. </p>
<p>I  know that not everyone has Inc I on their case.  Some don&#8217;t have it because they are stuck in much earlier incidents, and aren&#8217;t present enough for something like Inc I to even effect them.  This is just one Universe out of  a great many that exist now, and have existed before. </p>
<p>I think the Ad Hominem attack on Bill , the tinfoil remark is in poor taste and not warranted.  I don&#8217;t back Bill because he&#8217;s my friend, although I&#8217;m perfectly happy to drive a stake in the heart of anyone who attacks my friends, and burn their bodies. I am perfectly happy to be the biggest fucking monster anyone has ever seen in defense of my friends, and family.  Act in ways beyond the  imagination of Steven King, Edgar Allan Poe, and HP Lovecraft.  We Marines scare the evil that lives in the shadow of the Valley of Death, for good reason. </p>
<p>Bill acted on what he saw for himself.  I support that.  Just as I act on what is true for me. That fact that is not true for you, doesn&#8217;t have to lead to  attacks.  So, you have a disagreement. Fine &#8211; have it. Just don&#8217;t take discussion of it to such pejorative levels. It&#8217;s fine to state what Bill actually did, and let people draw their own conclusion. </p>
<p>I agree that people should do the original OT IV, V, and VI, all based on 1952 &#8211; 1954 processes, and the goals plot for the Clearing Course (depending on which original OT IV you are talking about).  Bill put his bridge together level by level as you said, based on what he found on each level.  LRH based his original OT VI, V, and VI on ACC processes for Clears and OT&#8217;s that were exterior to the body. </p>
<p>Games basics, Games Series, Games Master Graduate, Source Operation Levels, and VAST (Viable application of Source Training) and VAST Plus all handle quite a bit of theta machinery, abilities and some very specific areas, including the body. All valuable to do.  It&#8217;s not all the machinery there is. It&#8217;s not all the abilities there are.  Beings have subjective machinery (things in your own mind and universe) and objective machinery (things shared &#8211; co-created in this and other universes), that still exists even after those levels.  </p>
<p>I finished with all of that by 2002. Since then I&#8217;ve been addressing additional areas. </p>
<p>These  involve running out your own valences, something pointed out in the 1st Melbourne ACC, your Rock chains &#8211; 1958 20th ACC, your own GPMS &#8211; SHSBC and L&#8217;s theory , and  exercising  the exterior thetan as LRH suggested in the 1st &#8211; 8th ACC.  Dealing  with Pan determinism &#8211; handling co-created things, and multiple things.  Creating the dynamics, and having created them, be everyone involved in them, and get them to change by assuming their viewpoint. Improving  speed of particle flow, ability to hold  positions in space,  ability to obnose  and grant beingness. Ability to create energy.  Ability to create, uncreate, stop, change and start time. Running out your own auditing. Running out or restoring your ability to fully have incredible incidents.  Removing your use of any time track, restoring your ability to know what you did, were, and had at any point in the past or present time. </p>
<p>The point isn&#8217;t run out everything, it&#8217;s to get to the point where you can completely have it or not, do it or not, and be it or not as you choose.  The OT version of 1946 Dianetics. 1946 Dianetics done by LRH did not erase the bank, it made the person so comfortable with it, he was not long affected by it in any way. It required too much judgement, and curiosity for most people to run on others. So LRH went with erasure, in my opinion.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 12:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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Allegedly YOU are a &quot;thetan&quot;; so keep your theta eyes peeled for any transparent people..  ha, ha, ha!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148150">mimsey borogrove</a>.</p>
<p>Allegedly YOU are a &#8220;thetan&#8221;; so keep your theta eyes peeled for any transparent people..  ha, ha, ha!</p>
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		By: Espiando		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 23:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148073&quot;&gt;Clearly Not Clear&lt;/a&gt;.

Okay, it&#039;s pretty clear that I&#039;m not a big fan of the Bridge or anything on it.  And it&#039;s quite clear that Captain Bill was a weapons-grade whackadoodle.  I mean, he believed that the CoS had been taken over by the US government, who were acting on behalf of (for lack of a better term) the New World Order, which was controlled by the Marcabs, who were led by Xenu.  There really wasn&#039;t enough tinfoil available for Captain Bill&#039;s sailor hat.  And then there&#039;s the whole Astar thing and Elron Elray...

(I also love his goldenrod.  The Galactic Patrol was a &quot;sick parody of the Sea Org&quot;?  Considering that the Sea Org was a sick parody of the US Navy and Heinlein&#039;s Starship Troopers, you immediately take CBR&#039;s side in this fight.)

That being said...

His Bridge is logically constructed from its principles, and he was absolutely clear about what he wanted to achieve with each step.  There&#039;s no mystery or &quot;confidentiality&quot; with Excalibur:  the pre-OT was in full control over what was being run, and each case was approached individually, no cookie cutters involved.  There wasn&#039;t a mammoth money grab involved with him; he made it clear that everything past audited Excalibur was solo auditing, and you only paid for C/Sing.  Doing the Bridge in reverse order and trying to understand what gets people stuck on OT 17 through 33 is a wonderful piece of insight that&#039;s designed to expand someone&#039;s understanding.  This is really a well-built Bridge that at least leads to some kind of resolution, unlike the CoS Bridge.

The biggest drawback I have toward his approach was that he maintained the universality of OTIII (oh, boy, did he).  That immediately causes conflict with the &quot;OTIII was Ron&#039;s case&quot; types.  But, yeah, Doc, I think he believed that everything he wrote up was based on Standard Tech, or at least his understanding of it (the fact that he made old OTIV to OTVII optional raises a question about that).

Doc, I was wondering this:  You said that you did the whole of the CBR Bridge.  We haven&#039;t really heard anything from anyone about their impressions of OT41 to OT48 (hell, I even forget what it&#039;s called, I just remember it&#039;s a four-letter acronym).  Was it a positive experience and what did you get from it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148073">Clearly Not Clear</a>.</p>
<p>Okay, it&#8217;s pretty clear that I&#8217;m not a big fan of the Bridge or anything on it.  And it&#8217;s quite clear that Captain Bill was a weapons-grade whackadoodle.  I mean, he believed that the CoS had been taken over by the US government, who were acting on behalf of (for lack of a better term) the New World Order, which was controlled by the Marcabs, who were led by Xenu.  There really wasn&#8217;t enough tinfoil available for Captain Bill&#8217;s sailor hat.  And then there&#8217;s the whole Astar thing and Elron Elray&#8230;</p>
<p>(I also love his goldenrod.  The Galactic Patrol was a &#8220;sick parody of the Sea Org&#8221;?  Considering that the Sea Org was a sick parody of the US Navy and Heinlein&#8217;s Starship Troopers, you immediately take CBR&#8217;s side in this fight.)</p>
<p>That being said&#8230;</p>
<p>His Bridge is logically constructed from its principles, and he was absolutely clear about what he wanted to achieve with each step.  There&#8217;s no mystery or &#8220;confidentiality&#8221; with Excalibur:  the pre-OT was in full control over what was being run, and each case was approached individually, no cookie cutters involved.  There wasn&#8217;t a mammoth money grab involved with him; he made it clear that everything past audited Excalibur was solo auditing, and you only paid for C/Sing.  Doing the Bridge in reverse order and trying to understand what gets people stuck on OT 17 through 33 is a wonderful piece of insight that&#8217;s designed to expand someone&#8217;s understanding.  This is really a well-built Bridge that at least leads to some kind of resolution, unlike the CoS Bridge.</p>
<p>The biggest drawback I have toward his approach was that he maintained the universality of OTIII (oh, boy, did he).  That immediately causes conflict with the &#8220;OTIII was Ron&#8217;s case&#8221; types.  But, yeah, Doc, I think he believed that everything he wrote up was based on Standard Tech, or at least his understanding of it (the fact that he made old OTIV to OTVII optional raises a question about that).</p>
<p>Doc, I was wondering this:  You said that you did the whole of the CBR Bridge.  We haven&#8217;t really heard anything from anyone about their impressions of OT41 to OT48 (hell, I even forget what it&#8217;s called, I just remember it&#8217;s a four-letter acronym).  Was it a positive experience and what did you get from it?</p>
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HA Ha. Not to a body&#039;s eyes, no, but to a thetan? If there were no masses / bts and ridges etc of course it would be translucent on a theta level.  See?  Oops. Perceive? ;P

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<p>HA Ha. Not to a body&#8217;s eyes, no, but to a thetan? If there were no masses / bts and ridges etc of course it would be translucent on a theta level.  See?  Oops. Perceive? ;P</p>
<p>Mimsey</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148073&quot;&gt;Clearly Not Clear&lt;/a&gt;.

Captain Bill Robertson was in Europe and decided to do his NOTS , he twinned with Ulrich Kramer, and in studying the material he felt that it was missing some basics that he knew from the application of both Tech, and Admin. 

Captain Bill had acted at Saint Hill after he had done his SHSBC as a review auditor with LRH as the C/S and handled getting a number of ARC broken people back on lines. Bill at one point was third in line in Scientology after LRH and MSH, and had done a large number of successful missions to fix things for LRH over the years.  Including establishing advanced orgs, and correcting advanced orgs.

  From Bill&#039;s study of NOTS he put together an improved handling and audited that. That became Excalibur. (Originally called super VII - someone else called it Excalibur and the name stuck).  Excalibur ran much deeper than NOTS and the sessions were much tougher - something I know from personal experience. 

 After Bill had finished Excalibur he looked around found was his attention was on , and put together a procedure and handled that. Level by Level he put together a bridge handling , all completely using LRH tech.  I know from my own experience that it is not just Bill&#039;s case as some have suggested who have never done the levels. 

My wife, who was a C of S trained Class VIII C/S and OT review auditor and C/S, who did her OT levels on the ship in 1968, and who had audited thousands of hours at AOLA and before as non Sea Org,  when doing the first course in the US on delivering Excalibur decided to go to Europe and train and intern with Captain Bill, and did so spending two one year periods in learning how to deliver the levels he had put together.  She was my C/S as I did all of the Levels Bill put together. None of it was just &#039;his&#039; case. My wife  felt that Captain Bill was the best C/S after LRH she knew of.  
 
I started Excalibur in December 1986, and finished all of the CBR levels by mid 2002.  This was after I done all of the available LRH bridge. 

There isn&#039;t a single thing on any of the CBR levels that is not LRH basic tech. 
If you feel that LRH tech is bad, don&#039;t do any of them. If you feel that you only want C of S approved LRH basic tech don&#039;t do any (CBR levels) of them.  If you want something past what the available C of S bridge can do then you might want to consider them. But do them with someone that actually is trained on delivering them. 

The LRH and CBR bridges do not handle everything. As available.

 But the tech to continue is freely available on the 3rd ACC, the 6th and 7th ACC, the 1st Melbourne ACC, and elsewhere. These were all ACC&#039;s that concerned themselves with handling an exterior thetan , getting them out of being on some inverted level of the Know to mystery scale, and getting them to creating and operating on the other dynamics besides the first. For people who haven&#039;t done it, the OT Doc course is excellent. I did mine between getting the L&#039;s and Excalibur. 

There is a very large amount of gain ahead past the available bridges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148073">Clearly Not Clear</a>.</p>
<p>Captain Bill Robertson was in Europe and decided to do his NOTS , he twinned with Ulrich Kramer, and in studying the material he felt that it was missing some basics that he knew from the application of both Tech, and Admin. </p>
<p>Captain Bill had acted at Saint Hill after he had done his SHSBC as a review auditor with LRH as the C/S and handled getting a number of ARC broken people back on lines. Bill at one point was third in line in Scientology after LRH and MSH, and had done a large number of successful missions to fix things for LRH over the years.  Including establishing advanced orgs, and correcting advanced orgs.</p>
<p>  From Bill&#8217;s study of NOTS he put together an improved handling and audited that. That became Excalibur. (Originally called super VII &#8211; someone else called it Excalibur and the name stuck).  Excalibur ran much deeper than NOTS and the sessions were much tougher &#8211; something I know from personal experience. </p>
<p> After Bill had finished Excalibur he looked around found was his attention was on , and put together a procedure and handled that. Level by Level he put together a bridge handling , all completely using LRH tech.  I know from my own experience that it is not just Bill&#8217;s case as some have suggested who have never done the levels. </p>
<p>My wife, who was a C of S trained Class VIII C/S and OT review auditor and C/S, who did her OT levels on the ship in 1968, and who had audited thousands of hours at AOLA and before as non Sea Org,  when doing the first course in the US on delivering Excalibur decided to go to Europe and train and intern with Captain Bill, and did so spending two one year periods in learning how to deliver the levels he had put together.  She was my C/S as I did all of the Levels Bill put together. None of it was just &#8216;his&#8217; case. My wife  felt that Captain Bill was the best C/S after LRH she knew of.  </p>
<p>I started Excalibur in December 1986, and finished all of the CBR levels by mid 2002.  This was after I done all of the available LRH bridge. </p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a single thing on any of the CBR levels that is not LRH basic tech.<br />
If you feel that LRH tech is bad, don&#8217;t do any of them. If you feel that you only want C of S approved LRH basic tech don&#8217;t do any (CBR levels) of them.  If you want something past what the available C of S bridge can do then you might want to consider them. But do them with someone that actually is trained on delivering them. </p>
<p>The LRH and CBR bridges do not handle everything. As available.</p>
<p> But the tech to continue is freely available on the 3rd ACC, the 6th and 7th ACC, the 1st Melbourne ACC, and elsewhere. These were all ACC&#8217;s that concerned themselves with handling an exterior thetan , getting them out of being on some inverted level of the Know to mystery scale, and getting them to creating and operating on the other dynamics besides the first. For people who haven&#8217;t done it, the OT Doc course is excellent. I did mine between getting the L&#8217;s and Excalibur. </p>
<p>There is a very large amount of gain ahead past the available bridges.</p>
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		By: marildi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148116&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Right. Thanks.]]></description>
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<p>Right. Thanks.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cause-over-life-really/#comment-148115&quot;&gt;marildi&lt;/a&gt;.

Bill Robertson]]></description>
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<p>Bill Robertson</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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CBR stands for &quot;Captain Bill Richardson.&quot; Here&#039;s one link where you can find out about him and his extended bridge: http://www.freezone.org/cbr/e_cbrpg.htm]]></description>
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<p>CBR stands for &#8220;Captain Bill Richardson.&#8221; Here&#8217;s one link where you can find out about him and his extended bridge: <a href="http://www.freezone.org/cbr/e_cbrpg.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.freezone.org/cbr/e_cbrpg.htm</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2016 03:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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Dear Doc,
What is the CBR bridge?
I was fascinated by your training, auditing and viewpoint about studying and being thorough. I feel like I’ve had a peak at the freezone and what one can find there.
Your opinion, story and comment are most appreciated. I speak for me, not Wynski.]]></description>
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<p>Dear Doc,<br />
What is the CBR bridge?<br />
I was fascinated by your training, auditing and viewpoint about studying and being thorough. I feel like I’ve had a peak at the freezone and what one can find there.<br />
Your opinion, story and comment are most appreciated. I speak for me, not Wynski.</p>
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