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		By: RandomCat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2020 09:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364635&quot;&gt;Skyler&lt;/a&gt;.

They’ve defined psychiatry  as this big powerful boogeyman, that they have to rally the faithful against .    
It motivates Scientologists with anger and fear against a common ‘evil’ enemy .....  And that can lead to more donations]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364635">Skyler</a>.</p>
<p>They’ve defined psychiatry  as this big powerful boogeyman, that they have to rally the faithful against .<br />
It motivates Scientologists with anger and fear against a common ‘evil’ enemy &#8230;..  And that can lead to more donations</p>
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		By: Scribe		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364903</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364774&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Fighting &quot;SPs&quot; is just another income strategy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364774">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Fighting &#8220;SPs&#8221; is just another income strategy.</p>
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		By: Howard Davis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 16:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364824&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

I never considered lying on a couch saying whatever came to mind was very therapeutic. Those you must pay to act like a friend are just scammers, charlatans, though not as bad as Flubbard was. Psychologists and psychiatrists, once seen with disdain by me when in the cult of $cientology, have advanced their therapeutic methodologies sufficiently to be considered superior to Dianetics. I know this from experience. Still, my experience with Dianetics was positive, despite that cult, and did me good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364824">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>I never considered lying on a couch saying whatever came to mind was very therapeutic. Those you must pay to act like a friend are just scammers, charlatans, though not as bad as Flubbard was. Psychologists and psychiatrists, once seen with disdain by me when in the cult of $cientology, have advanced their therapeutic methodologies sufficiently to be considered superior to Dianetics. I know this from experience. Still, my experience with Dianetics was positive, despite that cult, and did me good.</p>
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		By: Howard Davis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 16:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364792&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

There was one individual - an &quot;ethics officer&quot; - that immediately gave me the impression as being a reincarnated Nazi. His appearance, demeanor, and attitude all reflected it - he was like a hostile robot. Of course this is anecdotal, just my impression (though my wife also saw him and agreed) as are many more specific claims re. reincarnation. Still, I would not rule it out, nor should anyone with a truly open mind. Science has not yet penetrated the field of the spirit or the occult, and I have had a few truly psychic experiences that today&#039;s science cannot explain. Physicists will tell you there are other dimensions, not observable to us, in which the rules of physics here may not apply. Yes, there may be a spirit world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364792">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>There was one individual &#8211; an &#8220;ethics officer&#8221; &#8211; that immediately gave me the impression as being a reincarnated Nazi. His appearance, demeanor, and attitude all reflected it &#8211; he was like a hostile robot. Of course this is anecdotal, just my impression (though my wife also saw him and agreed) as are many more specific claims re. reincarnation. Still, I would not rule it out, nor should anyone with a truly open mind. Science has not yet penetrated the field of the spirit or the occult, and I have had a few truly psychic experiences that today&#8217;s science cannot explain. Physicists will tell you there are other dimensions, not observable to us, in which the rules of physics here may not apply. Yes, there may be a spirit world.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364776&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere, and Howard, actually, the California Association of Dianetic Auditors has existed as an independent organization since 1950, with grandfathered-in rights to use the name.  And there are plenty of examples of other independents who manage to practice while avoiding intellectual property hassles; in recent years it even seems that they can get away with using the term Scientology now.

It&#039;s not that Dianetics is not available outside of the cult, just that outside of the self-reinforcing hothouse of the CofS there is no real interest in it, resulting from the fact that despite the passage of well over half a century, there&#039;s no compelling evidence of its effectiveness.  Sarge Gerbode&#039;s efforts to distill it into TIR (Traumatic Incident Reduction) produced results that proper peer-reviewed research showed were better than placebo, but still mediocre compared to other modern talk therapies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364776">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Jere, and Howard, actually, the California Association of Dianetic Auditors has existed as an independent organization since 1950, with grandfathered-in rights to use the name.  And there are plenty of examples of other independents who manage to practice while avoiding intellectual property hassles; in recent years it even seems that they can get away with using the term Scientology now.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that Dianetics is not available outside of the cult, just that outside of the self-reinforcing hothouse of the CofS there is no real interest in it, resulting from the fact that despite the passage of well over half a century, there&#8217;s no compelling evidence of its effectiveness.  Sarge Gerbode&#8217;s efforts to distill it into TIR (Traumatic Incident Reduction) produced results that proper peer-reviewed research showed were better than placebo, but still mediocre compared to other modern talk therapies.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 00:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364739&quot;&gt;Howard Davis&lt;/a&gt;.

Howard, if reincarnation is real Scientology is certainly not onto the truth or reality of it, with their halls full of bogus Jesus claimants (per Karen de la C), armies of imagined reincarnated Nazis (apparently a lot of the Sea Org), etc.

Neither Scientology nor anyone else has yet to provide a verifiable example of reincarnation, particularly someone who can remember details they have no other way of knowing - the cases passed around as anecdotes, all fall apart on such accounts when scrutinized - much less, for instance, understand and speak a foreign language they have no other way of knowing, a simple point on which even the various cases of supposed claimants fail utterly.  

Also, Hubbard&#039;s subjects and followers suffer from a long-recogized fundamental problem that many imagine the same famous (in our Western culture - almost never others) historical figures - Jesus, Anthony or Cleopatra, etc. - and lives that turn out to overlap in time (Paul Revere and Abraham Lincoln would be such a mis-match, as a lot of people think of them as from different eras and wouldn&#039;t be aware their lives overlapped by about a decade).  That&#039;s probably partly why Hubbard created the theory of BTs, to be able to explain away such obviously falsifiable aspects of the theory he adopted.

Actually, if you want to be somewhat scientific about it, the Akashic Record or collective species memory is a better model on a number of accounts, including being simpler and then explaining some of the obvious problems such as why many people claim to have memories of being the same historical figures.  I think it&#039;s typical that Hubbard chose the most egoistic and self-aggrandizing, though obviously inaccurate if not entirely faulty, theory; plus it was also useful for his purposes of control and exploitation, to get followers to believe they had lived before and would live again, making it easier to influence them to sacrifice their personal interests in this life and often their family as well, one of the most insidious and brainwashing-like aspects of Scientology.                                               
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364739">Howard Davis</a>.</p>
<p>Howard, if reincarnation is real Scientology is certainly not onto the truth or reality of it, with their halls full of bogus Jesus claimants (per Karen de la C), armies of imagined reincarnated Nazis (apparently a lot of the Sea Org), etc.</p>
<p>Neither Scientology nor anyone else has yet to provide a verifiable example of reincarnation, particularly someone who can remember details they have no other way of knowing &#8211; the cases passed around as anecdotes, all fall apart on such accounts when scrutinized &#8211; much less, for instance, understand and speak a foreign language they have no other way of knowing, a simple point on which even the various cases of supposed claimants fail utterly.  </p>
<p>Also, Hubbard&#8217;s subjects and followers suffer from a long-recogized fundamental problem that many imagine the same famous (in our Western culture &#8211; almost never others) historical figures &#8211; Jesus, Anthony or Cleopatra, etc. &#8211; and lives that turn out to overlap in time (Paul Revere and Abraham Lincoln would be such a mis-match, as a lot of people think of them as from different eras and wouldn&#8217;t be aware their lives overlapped by about a decade).  That&#8217;s probably partly why Hubbard created the theory of BTs, to be able to explain away such obviously falsifiable aspects of the theory he adopted.</p>
<p>Actually, if you want to be somewhat scientific about it, the Akashic Record or collective species memory is a better model on a number of accounts, including being simpler and then explaining some of the obvious problems such as why many people claim to have memories of being the same historical figures.  I think it&#8217;s typical that Hubbard chose the most egoistic and self-aggrandizing, though obviously inaccurate if not entirely faulty, theory; plus it was also useful for his purposes of control and exploitation, to get followers to believe they had lived before and would live again, making it easier to influence them to sacrifice their personal interests in this life and often their family as well, one of the most insidious and brainwashing-like aspects of Scientology.<br />
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364586&quot;&gt;Howard Davis&lt;/a&gt;.

Howard said, in part:
&quot;Dianetics is not available outside of the Scientology cult. An auditor that leaves and tries to set up an independent practice gets sued for copyright violations and is otherwise harassed out of business.&quot;

As long as you don&#039;t use their trade marks, like calling it Dn or scn or variants on them, if you REALLY wanted to deliver it, who&#039;s going to know? 
  BUT: What&#039;s the use of THAT?  long Term, the subject&#039;s invalid, unworkable, and often dangerous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364586">Howard Davis</a>.</p>
<p>Howard said, in part:<br />
&#8220;Dianetics is not available outside of the Scientology cult. An auditor that leaves and tries to set up an independent practice gets sued for copyright violations and is otherwise harassed out of business.&#8221;</p>
<p>As long as you don&#8217;t use their trade marks, like calling it Dn or scn or variants on them, if you REALLY wanted to deliver it, who&#8217;s going to know?<br />
  BUT: What&#8217;s the use of THAT?  long Term, the subject&#8217;s invalid, unworkable, and often dangerous.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364587&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyx75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Chuck Beatty opined:
&quot;Longer range, the subject, as offensive and bad as Hubbard truly is responsible for it, needs to do the deep full research and become a top to bottom, full history expert and read and understand all the stuff.&quot;

&lt;b&gt;Aw, GEE, do we gotta?&lt;/b&gt;  Might I suggest rounding up one of the XIIs and/or FEBCs since they&#039;ve already studied all of it once?  Also, it&#039;d have to be an indie since they&#039;re the ones with a hope and chance to keep scn alive.  There aren&#039;t any left in corporate scn  who haven&#039;t signed on to DM&#039;s squirreling. A proper analysis by someone INTERESTED in making things right might just find a way to root out the absolute crap, leaving, perhaps, something workable. I&#039;m neither volunteering nor holding my breath, because I think it&#039;d be a fool&#039;s errand; Ain&#039;t nothing salvageable amongst Hubbard&#039;s word salad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364587">chuckbeattyx75to03</a>.</p>
<p>Chuck Beatty opined:<br />
&#8220;Longer range, the subject, as offensive and bad as Hubbard truly is responsible for it, needs to do the deep full research and become a top to bottom, full history expert and read and understand all the stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>Aw, GEE, do we gotta?</b>  Might I suggest rounding up one of the XIIs and/or FEBCs since they&#8217;ve already studied all of it once?  Also, it&#8217;d have to be an indie since they&#8217;re the ones with a hope and chance to keep scn alive.  There aren&#8217;t any left in corporate scn  who haven&#8217;t signed on to DM&#8217;s squirreling. A proper analysis by someone INTERESTED in making things right might just find a way to root out the absolute crap, leaving, perhaps, something workable. I&#8217;m neither volunteering nor holding my breath, because I think it&#8217;d be a fool&#8217;s errand; Ain&#8217;t nothing salvageable amongst Hubbard&#8217;s word salad.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364666&quot;&gt;Scribe&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s been true throughout: No scientologist  apparently in *good standing*<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2122.png" alt="™" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> could/can be an SP.  That always puzzled me as too many were being declared  SP even in the early years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364666">Scribe</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been true throughout: No scientologist  apparently in *good standing*™ could/can be an SP.  That always puzzled me as too many were being declared  SP even in the early years.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364604&quot;&gt;ISNOINews&lt;/a&gt;.

Whether he did or didn&#039;t depends on what his handlers (Dwarfenführer&#039;s® minions) told him he can say. AFAICT, he&#039;s a scientologist through-and-through. His goings on with his Mom in California confirm it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/cchr-hypocrisy/#comment-364604">ISNOINews</a>.</p>
<p>Whether he did or didn&#8217;t depends on what his handlers (Dwarfenführer&#8217;s® minions) told him he can say. AFAICT, he&#8217;s a scientologist through-and-through. His goings on with his Mom in California confirm it</p>
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