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	Comments on: Chat GPT on Psychiatry and Scientology/L. Ron Hubbard	</title>
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		By: Joel Bruner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2023 03:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was just asking ChatGPT some questions about scientology being pseudo-therapy with high-tech exorcism rituals, where members were discourage of sharing their cases lest they both find out they were the same person in a past life and asking if it thought it was high control that shunned like the JWs. 

Throughout it was very polite, never wanting to be to judgmental but I got a few good ones:

Q: Their leader L Ron Hubbard or LRH as they refer to him said the Universe was significantly older what than science thinks? Do you know how old LRH said the Universe is?

A: L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, did not explicitly state a specific age for the universe in his writings or teachings. While Hubbard touched upon various cosmological concepts and discussed past lives and spiritual existence, he did not provide a detailed or specific timeline for the age of the universe.

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Scientology&#039;s beliefs about the age of the universe may differ from scientific consensus, as they are rooted in their religious and spiritual teachings rather than empirical scientific evidence.

Q: Oh I thought it was based on science since LRH&#039;s book is called &quot;Dianetics: the Modern Science of Mental Health&quot;?

While the title of L. Ron Hubbard&#039;s book, &quot;Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health,&quot; includes the term &quot;science,&quot; it is important to understand that the content of the book and the teachings of Scientology are not considered scientific in the traditional scientific sense.

&quot;Dianetics&quot; presents a set of ideas and practices that Hubbard proposed as a method for understanding and addressing the human mind and behavior. It introduces concepts such as the &quot;reactive mind,&quot; &quot;engrams,&quot; and &quot;auditing&quot; as a means to achieve mental well-being and spiritual enlightenment. However, these ideas and practices have not been scientifically validated or widely accepted by the scientific community.

The term &quot;science&quot; in the title of Hubbard&#039;s book can be seen as a rhetorical device to lend credibility and authority to the ideas and practices presented within Scientology. It does not mean that Scientology is considered a scientific field or that its claims are subject to scientific scrutiny or validation.

It is important to differentiate between the scientific method, which involves empirical observation, experimentation, and peer review, and the methodologies and beliefs presented in Scientology. While some aspects of Scientology may touch on psychological or therapeutic concepts, the overall framework and teachings of Scientology are not recognized as scientific by the mainstream scientific community.
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Ooooh, burn! This one especially: &quot;The term &quot;science&quot; in the title of Hubbard&#039;s book can be seen as a rhetorical device to lend credibility and authority to the ideas and practices presented within Scientology.&quot;

Of course I had this is default nice mode not cynical and ironic mode!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just asking ChatGPT some questions about scientology being pseudo-therapy with high-tech exorcism rituals, where members were discourage of sharing their cases lest they both find out they were the same person in a past life and asking if it thought it was high control that shunned like the JWs. </p>
<p>Throughout it was very polite, never wanting to be to judgmental but I got a few good ones:</p>
<p>Q: Their leader L Ron Hubbard or LRH as they refer to him said the Universe was significantly older what than science thinks? Do you know how old LRH said the Universe is?</p>
<p>A: L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, did not explicitly state a specific age for the universe in his writings or teachings. While Hubbard touched upon various cosmological concepts and discussed past lives and spiritual existence, he did not provide a detailed or specific timeline for the age of the universe.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Scientology&#8217;s beliefs about the age of the universe may differ from scientific consensus, as they are rooted in their religious and spiritual teachings rather than empirical scientific evidence.</p>
<p>Q: Oh I thought it was based on science since LRH&#8217;s book is called &#8220;Dianetics: the Modern Science of Mental Health&#8221;?</p>
<p>While the title of L. Ron Hubbard&#8217;s book, &#8220;Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health,&#8221; includes the term &#8220;science,&#8221; it is important to understand that the content of the book and the teachings of Scientology are not considered scientific in the traditional scientific sense.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dianetics&#8221; presents a set of ideas and practices that Hubbard proposed as a method for understanding and addressing the human mind and behavior. It introduces concepts such as the &#8220;reactive mind,&#8221; &#8220;engrams,&#8221; and &#8220;auditing&#8221; as a means to achieve mental well-being and spiritual enlightenment. However, these ideas and practices have not been scientifically validated or widely accepted by the scientific community.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;science&#8221; in the title of Hubbard&#8217;s book can be seen as a rhetorical device to lend credibility and authority to the ideas and practices presented within Scientology. It does not mean that Scientology is considered a scientific field or that its claims are subject to scientific scrutiny or validation.</p>
<p>It is important to differentiate between the scientific method, which involves empirical observation, experimentation, and peer review, and the methodologies and beliefs presented in Scientology. While some aspects of Scientology may touch on psychological or therapeutic concepts, the overall framework and teachings of Scientology are not recognized as scientific by the mainstream scientific community.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>Ooooh, burn! This one especially: &#8220;The term &#8220;science&#8221; in the title of Hubbard&#8217;s book can be seen as a rhetorical device to lend credibility and authority to the ideas and practices presented within Scientology.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course I had this is default nice mode not cynical and ironic mode!</p>
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		By: RoseMarie Tropf		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 16:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow.  Chat GPT is amazing in some respects.  I wonder about education though. Will kids use it to do their homework essays?  Change change change is in the air.  I love what chat said about both crazy philosophies.  Thanks Phil.  And Mike.  I had a very amusing half hour here. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f929.png" alt="🤩" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Chat GPT is amazing in some respects.  I wonder about education though. Will kids use it to do their homework essays?  Change change change is in the air.  I love what chat said about both crazy philosophies.  Thanks Phil.  And Mike.  I had a very amusing half hour here. 🤩</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chat-gpt-on-psychiatry-and-scientology-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-525081</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 11:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AI has to be able to fake the actual intelligence and knowledge of the requestor.  

 Then any AI fake report can at least be intelligently defended by the requestor later when the report is submitted in the name of the requestor to a teacher for a grade.  

&quot;Write a report on X which is limited to what I understand about X, and write it like I&#039;d write it.&quot;

Aural testing of the report submitter&#039;s knowledge of their report, defeats AI cheating.

If AI acts and says things the requestor knows and can defend, then the product AI produces can be defended by the requestor. 

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Teachers given reports, can ask AI to grade the reports as being AI produced or legit reports from the teacher&#039;s students.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AI has to be able to fake the actual intelligence and knowledge of the requestor.  </p>
<p> Then any AI fake report can at least be intelligently defended by the requestor later when the report is submitted in the name of the requestor to a teacher for a grade.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Write a report on X which is limited to what I understand about X, and write it like I&#8217;d write it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aural testing of the report submitter&#8217;s knowledge of their report, defeats AI cheating.</p>
<p>If AI acts and says things the requestor knows and can defend, then the product AI produces can be defended by the requestor. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Teachers given reports, can ask AI to grade the reports as being AI produced or legit reports from the teacher&#8217;s students.</p>
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		By: xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 10:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it is telling that the internet settles on &quot;system&quot; to define auditing.

auditing is quackery pseudo-therapy and it missed exorcism altogether.

auditing is pseudo-therapy and since  OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are exorcism, there&#039;s no mention of the extensive amount of exorcism scientologists do.

I give it a flunk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is telling that the internet settles on &#8220;system&#8221; to define auditing.</p>
<p>auditing is quackery pseudo-therapy and it missed exorcism altogether.</p>
<p>auditing is pseudo-therapy and since  OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are exorcism, there&#8217;s no mention of the extensive amount of exorcism scientologists do.</p>
<p>I give it a flunk.</p>
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		By: GL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 22:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On a side note: That carpet chewing, spitting, raving nutcase Large Dumbarse...oops, Leigh Dundas, at her rabid best -

https://twitter.com/i/status/1660763532667781121]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note: That carpet chewing, spitting, raving nutcase Large Dumbarse&#8230;oops, Leigh Dundas, at her rabid best &#8211;</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/i/status/1660763532667781121" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/i/status/1660763532667781121</a></p>
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		By: Lynne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 21:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brilliant! 
“E-meter” – a contraption not unlike a glorified mood ring. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f923.png" alt="🤣" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant!<br />
“E-meter” – a contraption not unlike a glorified mood ring. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣</p>
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		By: Linear13		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linear13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 21:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where was ChatGPT when I was in college having to write all those papers.  My god I can see why we are hearing so much about AI and how it may take over many artistic jobs.  I recently went to a free AI art website (there are an abundance of them on the net just type ‘AI art website’ in google) on Miscavige’s birthday.  Ortega’s site had a write up about the big day and some ppl were posting AI created art in the comments so I drifted to one of the free sites and all I asked was ‘David Miscavige birthday party’ and the results were unreal.  You could have the AI program do the art in photo realism, watercolor, comic, b &#038; w drawing etc.  The pics it gave back were scary good.  Pics of a grand Miscavige looking leader behind a podium with a strange Scientology-esque symbol in the background and people looking on in adoration clapping.  That was just one of them.  There were more.  Scary good.  

 As an artist this also worries me that it’s going to put humans out of business in the art field.  I only do art for myself.  I couldn’t imagine struggling for years to make a name for yourself only to have an AI program be to go to artist for companies.  Same goes for writers.  Reading the above ChatGPT discourse I was hit with the same feeling as the art program…scary good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was ChatGPT when I was in college having to write all those papers.  My god I can see why we are hearing so much about AI and how it may take over many artistic jobs.  I recently went to a free AI art website (there are an abundance of them on the net just type ‘AI art website’ in google) on Miscavige’s birthday.  Ortega’s site had a write up about the big day and some ppl were posting AI created art in the comments so I drifted to one of the free sites and all I asked was ‘David Miscavige birthday party’ and the results were unreal.  You could have the AI program do the art in photo realism, watercolor, comic, b &amp; w drawing etc.  The pics it gave back were scary good.  Pics of a grand Miscavige looking leader behind a podium with a strange Scientology-esque symbol in the background and people looking on in adoration clapping.  That was just one of them.  There were more.  Scary good.  </p>
<p> As an artist this also worries me that it’s going to put humans out of business in the art field.  I only do art for myself.  I couldn’t imagine struggling for years to make a name for yourself only to have an AI program be to go to artist for companies.  Same goes for writers.  Reading the above ChatGPT discourse I was hit with the same feeling as the art program…scary good.</p>
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		By: Anon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beware the rise of the machines! LOL]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware the rise of the machines! LOL</p>
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		By: Phil Jones		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 16:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chat-gpt-on-psychiatry-and-scientology-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-525014&quot;&gt;Miss Ellie&lt;/a&gt;.

Here&#039;s his email address: records@psychsearch.net]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/chat-gpt-on-psychiatry-and-scientology-l-ron-hubbard/#comment-525014">Miss Ellie</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s his email address: <a href="mailto:records@psychsearch.net">records@psychsearch.net</a></p>
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		By: Michael Mallen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Mallen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I asked ChatGPT to write about destructive cults. Sound familiar?

A destructive cult, often referred to as an abusive or manipulative group, is an organization that exhibits harmful and controlling behaviors, often targeting vulnerable individuals. These groups typically revolve around a charismatic leader who manipulates and exploits their followers for personal gain and power. Destructive cults often employ mind control techniques, such as isolation, manipulation of information, and the use of coercive persuasion, to maintain control over their members.

One of the defining characteristics of a destructive cult is the presence of psychological, emotional, and even physical abuse. Followers are subjected to intense indoctrination, which aims to break down their critical thinking and individuality. They may be isolated from friends and family, forced to sever ties with loved ones who are critical of the group, or even cut off from the outside world entirely. This isolation creates a dependency on the cult and its leader, making it extremely difficult for members to leave or question the group&#039;s teachings.

In addition to isolation, destructive cults often manipulate information to maintain control over their members. They may distort or withhold information, present a skewed worldview, and employ techniques such as thought-stopping or thought-terminating clichés to discourage critical thinking and dissent. By controlling the narrative, these cults ensure that their followers remain loyal and unquestioning.

Financial exploitation is another common feature of destructive cults. Members are often coerced into donating large sums of money, surrendering their assets, or even giving up their entire livelihoods in service to the group&#039;s goals. The leader may live a lavish lifestyle while the followers experience financial hardship.

While destructive cults are relatively rare, their impact on individuals and communities can be devastating. Former members often report experiencing psychological trauma, loss of identity, and difficulties reintegrating into society. It is crucial to raise awareness about the warning signs of destructive cults and provide support for those who have been affected by their harmful practices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked ChatGPT to write about destructive cults. Sound familiar?</p>
<p>A destructive cult, often referred to as an abusive or manipulative group, is an organization that exhibits harmful and controlling behaviors, often targeting vulnerable individuals. These groups typically revolve around a charismatic leader who manipulates and exploits their followers for personal gain and power. Destructive cults often employ mind control techniques, such as isolation, manipulation of information, and the use of coercive persuasion, to maintain control over their members.</p>
<p>One of the defining characteristics of a destructive cult is the presence of psychological, emotional, and even physical abuse. Followers are subjected to intense indoctrination, which aims to break down their critical thinking and individuality. They may be isolated from friends and family, forced to sever ties with loved ones who are critical of the group, or even cut off from the outside world entirely. This isolation creates a dependency on the cult and its leader, making it extremely difficult for members to leave or question the group&#8217;s teachings.</p>
<p>In addition to isolation, destructive cults often manipulate information to maintain control over their members. They may distort or withhold information, present a skewed worldview, and employ techniques such as thought-stopping or thought-terminating clichés to discourage critical thinking and dissent. By controlling the narrative, these cults ensure that their followers remain loyal and unquestioning.</p>
<p>Financial exploitation is another common feature of destructive cults. Members are often coerced into donating large sums of money, surrendering their assets, or even giving up their entire livelihoods in service to the group&#8217;s goals. The leader may live a lavish lifestyle while the followers experience financial hardship.</p>
<p>While destructive cults are relatively rare, their impact on individuals and communities can be devastating. Former members often report experiencing psychological trauma, loss of identity, and difficulties reintegrating into society. It is crucial to raise awareness about the warning signs of destructive cults and provide support for those who have been affected by their harmful practices.</p>
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