Kat, I hear you on everything. I love that you care, how much you care, how much you DO and how much you want to help. My ONLY point is that, without certain facts, any “reporting” of child abuse to the authorities could very likely end up as a WIN for the cult, IF it turns out to be untrue. Do you see? Just like a good attorney, in court, NEVER asks a question he or she doesn’t ALREADY know the answer to, we cannot act against the cult in any way without the FACTS. Doing so will only make us APPEAR to be the “bitter, angry apostates” blowhard liars that the cult says we are. Its important that we know what we’re talking about BEFORE we accuse. Our ENTIRE justice system is set up that way and that’s how police and human rights agencies and congressmen and senators (who are mostly all attorneys) THINK. It cannot be overstressed that we NEED the facts. Child abuse is a serious accusation. Let’s be prepared, always. What you’re doing is SO valuable, Kat. I wouldn’t want you to come off to legal people and legislators and human rights agencies, etc. as being PURELY emotion-driven. Emotion is FINE, by the way. Passionate feelings against injustice are FINE, PROVIDED that the CONTENT of the communication is FACTUAL, or, FACTUAL ENOUGH to warrant an investigation. fACTS are what motivate those people in authority who can do something about this. We have to work WITH the system which is, in our country, “innocent until PROVEN guilty.”

Once more, I repeat my question:

WHO are the MEDICAL DOCTORS signing off on these children being able to do the Purif?

THEY are the ones LIABLE, from a LEGAL standpoint.

Jeopardizing the health of a minor child by a medical doctor is, I believe ACTIONABLE under law, actionable as in you can sue him or her for malpractice, correct?

What TESTS are the doctors doing on these children and children to determine if they’re physically fit to do the Purif?

Are the tests they’re doing on the KIDS the SAME tests that are done on prospective ADULT Purif PC’s? Or, are they DIFFERENT tests. Possibly MORE tests?

In order to not be TOTALLY mired in mostly speculation as well as opinions based on data that is, in fact, mostly speculation, we need ANSWERS to these questions – would you agree?

And last but not least, has DM DONE AWAY with the necessity for a medical doctor’s OK to do the Purif?

Ok, I’m done.

“After 2 weeks of this I was passing blood…”

Moving Forward,

UNLESS a pre-existing condition – a symptom of which is blood passed in urine or stool – was not communicated to him or her, what Shit For Brains doctor would sign off on this person being permitted to do the Purification Rundown?

With its weeks-long intense sauna, high niacin and other vitamin intake, running, etc., its insane that you were allowed to do it.

Any doctor being informed by a person of such a pre-existing condition. who nevertheless ignored it, and signed off on that person being allowed to do Purification Rundown was negligent, I’d say. Grossly negligent.

The road to Hell was paved with good intentions.

When you feel that you are up against an opponent who has all the advantages and you cannot possibly win, I have found one technique that often will unseat them – by which I mean it will cause them to become somewhat unglued. If you can arrange to just take up their time. If they have to sit and listen to you – no matter what you may say – eventually, they will become annoyed because they have other things to do.

You can then explain to them that if they allow certain things to go on, they will then have to spend time listening to people like you – even though they have better things to do.

In my experience, eventually, they will try to either appease you in some way or they will behave in a nasty way that is out of character for them. In either case, it then becomes much easier for you to force their hands and maybe get some concession(s) from them.

Best of luck to you Kat and I will be very pleased if you can use this tactic and it turns out to provide you with some good results. Please do let us know what happens – in any case – and also, I hope you find some time to enjoy yourself.

I would think it guarantees a former member in later life. This is so wrong and pathetic.

Skyler,

I have several appointments in the next few days in between my conference duties. I doubt that it will cause any immediate effect, but I am hoping that it will start a small investigation into several areas. Im also squeezing in an appointment at the DOJ (I have a friend who has a friend)- I want to see if they will look into possible police corruption in the LAPD and the investigations into the Danny Masterson and Shelly Miscavige matters. It probably wont do anything, but Im trying to plant some ideas and small seeds that may start some questions….

Kat

Aqua,

I get what you are saying. While we do not have the entire picture, we will likely never get it if its not investigated, which none of us can personally do. There are credible stories about the treatment of children in this group, and plenty to make it imperative that action be taken if children are at risk. I would rather err on the side of safety than let children die while waiting for more info. I’m a mandated reporter, although I didn’t use the official routes in this instance because I cannot show that I have personal knowledge of abuse. I would still need to report an incident for investigation if there is a reasonable suspicion that abuse is taking place- we HAVE to assume the worst and report rather than give an adult the benefit of the doubt. If it were simply adults being stupid or endangering their own lives, the bar would be much higher, but children rarely have the ability to report on their own, so its a different standard.

Kat