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		By: Heather G		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-4381</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 21:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3526&quot;&gt;boilingfrog&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s true, frog, although arguably the absence of any PR spokespeople is an improvement on the number of footbullets they used to provide by their media appearances. They&#039;ve perhaps had advice to the effect that silence means at least they aren&#039;t giving oxygen to critics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3526">boilingfrog</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true, frog, although arguably the absence of any PR spokespeople is an improvement on the number of footbullets they used to provide by their media appearances. They&#8217;ve perhaps had advice to the effect that silence means at least they aren&#8217;t giving oxygen to critics.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 22:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3560&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

(This post should go below what I just wrote.)  

Actually, you, Marty, Thoughtful and a number of others are all DM&#039;s &quot;Toto&quot; so this is a process.  I get it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3560">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>(This post should go below what I just wrote.)  </p>
<p>Actually, you, Marty, Thoughtful and a number of others are all DM&#8217;s &#8220;Toto&#8221; so this is a process.  I get it!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3808</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 22:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3560&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike, 

Thank you for your response.  I get it now.  I can think with this.  The  concept of  IAS fundraising and Ideal Org fundraising as  &quot;props&quot; to sustain his (false) image of a strong leader spearheading rapid expansion.  These are his &quot;Special Effects&quot; to communicate an Affluence Condition!   Oh, my God, what a con!  And he has actually trapped himself very thoroughly, there&#039;s no way out for him.  

 The Dwarf  is a 21st century  real, live dramatization of the Wizard of Oz and his cuthroat programs are his special effects. But remember how at the end of the film  the little dog trots  behind the curtain and exposes the Wizard as a total phony?     Well,  I can&#039;t wait to find out who DM&#039;s &quot;Toto&quot; will be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3560">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Mike, </p>
<p>Thank you for your response.  I get it now.  I can think with this.  The  concept of  IAS fundraising and Ideal Org fundraising as  &#8220;props&#8221; to sustain his (false) image of a strong leader spearheading rapid expansion.  These are his &#8220;Special Effects&#8221; to communicate an Affluence Condition!   Oh, my God, what a con!  And he has actually trapped himself very thoroughly, there&#8217;s no way out for him.  </p>
<p> The Dwarf  is a 21st century  real, live dramatization of the Wizard of Oz and his cuthroat programs are his special effects. But remember how at the end of the film  the little dog trots  behind the curtain and exposes the Wizard as a total phony?     Well,  I can&#8217;t wait to find out who DM&#8217;s &#8220;Toto&#8221; will be.</p>
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		By: IBG		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3755</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 09:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3687&quot;&gt;T. Marianne&lt;/a&gt;.

Between you and Mike i got inspired to a little poem.
I hope EVERYONE enjoys it ;)

We love you Flynch
You make us cringe
Take heart, you mighty warrior
You show us truth for sure-ior!
Weasel in and weasel out
Mike Rinder will be &#039;bout
In awe we stand when you confront
Your courage and your wit abund&#039;
We love you Flynch!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3687">T. Marianne</a>.</p>
<p>Between you and Mike i got inspired to a little poem.<br />
I hope EVERYONE enjoys it 😉</p>
<p>We love you Flynch<br />
You make us cringe<br />
Take heart, you mighty warrior<br />
You show us truth for sure-ior!<br />
Weasel in and weasel out<br />
Mike Rinder will be &#8217;bout<br />
In awe we stand when you confront<br />
Your courage and your wit abund&#8217;<br />
We love you Flynch!</p>
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		By: T. Marianne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T. Marianne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love light-hearted amusement. Jim Flynch, crack journalist, weaseling his way through an ‘interview’ really is quite the performance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love light-hearted amusement. Jim Flynch, crack journalist, weaseling his way through an ‘interview’ really is quite the performance.</p>
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		By: The Orcal		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3588</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Orcal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 10:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3586&quot;&gt;The Orcal&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess some folk coming in are shopping for beingness. Some are shopping for secrets. Some are shopping for knowledge. Some are shopping for company, some are shopping for a family, some are shopping for applause, some are shopping for pussy. or husbands, some are shopping for power (we know who those were)  The truth about me is, I came in shopping for INDEPENDENCE.  Yeah, because I was two weeks past 16 and my mother refused to sign emancipation papers until I finished HQS. So, I came in shopping for independence.  And damn if that isn&#039;t exactly what I have gotten from my efforts in Scientology.  You look at everyone in this arena and where they are sitting and how, and right there you will know what people were shopping for when they got involved with Scientology. It is all in their shopping bag.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3586">The Orcal</a>.</p>
<p>I guess some folk coming in are shopping for beingness. Some are shopping for secrets. Some are shopping for knowledge. Some are shopping for company, some are shopping for a family, some are shopping for applause, some are shopping for pussy. or husbands, some are shopping for power (we know who those were)  The truth about me is, I came in shopping for INDEPENDENCE.  Yeah, because I was two weeks past 16 and my mother refused to sign emancipation papers until I finished HQS. So, I came in shopping for independence.  And damn if that isn&#8217;t exactly what I have gotten from my efforts in Scientology.  You look at everyone in this arena and where they are sitting and how, and right there you will know what people were shopping for when they got involved with Scientology. It is all in their shopping bag.</p>
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		By: The Orcal		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3586</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Orcal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 10:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The beingness of a Scientologist should be that of a professional auditor, that ought be the most respected role model.&quot;

It was too late for me before I started H.Q.S..   My beingness was already fully cooked. I was comfortable with it though.  I did not feel any need to trash it to become someone else&#039;s idea of a V.I.P..I mean, this is shopping preference is it not?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The beingness of a Scientologist should be that of a professional auditor, that ought be the most respected role model.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was too late for me before I started H.Q.S..   My beingness was already fully cooked. I was comfortable with it though.  I did not feel any need to trash it to become someone else&#8217;s idea of a V.I.P..I mean, this is shopping preference is it not?</p>
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		By: Elena		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3576</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 06:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very strange. If it&#039;s not some kind of joke (is that possible?) then it&#039;s very strange indeed. It seems like the church&#039;s publicity is becoming sloppy. One would think this would be the time to be extra careful, with all the negative stories lately. I wonder if things are becoming too difficult to keep up with. 

The reason I took notice of these situations in the church is not because I&#039;ve been involved in Scientology (I haven&#039;t) but because I was raised in an abusive home by a psychopath (likely the type of person L Ron Hubbard was describing when he wrote of  &quot;suppressive  persons&quot;) . It&#039;s been frightening to see how many ways ex-members experience jibes with my own upbringing , even in small details, even down to the authority cruelly using people&#039;s good intentions against them. The thought that a large organization could be run this way chills me to the bone.  

If my thinking about the similarity holds, then I can say this: when the person or people abusing their authority feel their control (or their ego) is threatened, they can become delusional, desperate, increasingly incomprehensible and bizarre. I saw this in my family plenty of times, and if that&#039;s happening here then it&#039;s worrying. If the church is beginning to reach a breaking point,  I worry for the people inside such a punishing system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very strange. If it&#8217;s not some kind of joke (is that possible?) then it&#8217;s very strange indeed. It seems like the church&#8217;s publicity is becoming sloppy. One would think this would be the time to be extra careful, with all the negative stories lately. I wonder if things are becoming too difficult to keep up with. </p>
<p>The reason I took notice of these situations in the church is not because I&#8217;ve been involved in Scientology (I haven&#8217;t) but because I was raised in an abusive home by a psychopath (likely the type of person L Ron Hubbard was describing when he wrote of  &#8220;suppressive  persons&#8221;) . It&#8217;s been frightening to see how many ways ex-members experience jibes with my own upbringing , even in small details, even down to the authority cruelly using people&#8217;s good intentions against them. The thought that a large organization could be run this way chills me to the bone.  </p>
<p>If my thinking about the similarity holds, then I can say this: when the person or people abusing their authority feel their control (or their ego) is threatened, they can become delusional, desperate, increasingly incomprehensible and bizarre. I saw this in my family plenty of times, and if that&#8217;s happening here then it&#8217;s worrying. If the church is beginning to reach a breaking point,  I worry for the people inside such a punishing system.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3560</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 02:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3557&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua,

I think you have it pretty well nailed.

&lt;em&gt;just a manifestation of his insanity, and there’s no real logical (if criminal) end game, but its just what he DOES, over and over.&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s also part of &quot;you get what you push.&quot; He pushes hard to get Ideal Orgs as he uses them as props to prop up his image as &quot;creating international expansion as never before witnessed in the history of the church&quot; and he pushes on IAS as it is a PR tool to demonstrate all the great works he is overseeing around the world. He knows his position/power is based on the belief of the public and staff that he is truly leading them toward planetary domination (clearing, sort of, though not much of that takes place these days).

And now, ingrained so hard is compliance to &quot;Command Intention&quot; that you see nuttiness happening downstream as people try to &quot;comply&quot; with &quot;command intention&quot; and the aberration is contagious about how to go about doing so. 

It&#039;s become a nuthouse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3557">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua,</p>
<p>I think you have it pretty well nailed.</p>
<p><em>just a manifestation of his insanity, and there’s no real logical (if criminal) end game, but its just what he DOES, over and over.</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s also part of &#8220;you get what you push.&#8221; He pushes hard to get Ideal Orgs as he uses them as props to prop up his image as &#8220;creating international expansion as never before witnessed in the history of the church&#8221; and he pushes on IAS as it is a PR tool to demonstrate all the great works he is overseeing around the world. He knows his position/power is based on the belief of the public and staff that he is truly leading them toward planetary domination (clearing, sort of, though not much of that takes place these days).</p>
<p>And now, ingrained so hard is compliance to &#8220;Command Intention&#8221; that you see nuttiness happening downstream as people try to &#8220;comply&#8221; with &#8220;command intention&#8221; and the aberration is contagious about how to go about doing so. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s become a nuthouse.</p>
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		By: Chuck Beatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/church-of-scientology-wack-jobs/#comment-3558</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 02:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like Scientology is allowing freedom of creative dissemination patters for the staffs of Class 5 orgs, but not freedom to discuss their spiritual practice.

Regs and crim regs are okay to emulate, but there&#039;s no strategic push for he beingness which should predominate and should be the valance that even top managers ought know in their bones, the beingness of an auditor.

LRH said in Flag Ship Order to the Sea Org crew aboard the Apollo, that at some distant time in a Sea Org crew member&#039;s life, it was expected they become a Class 8 and OEC trained.

The beingness of a Scientologist should be that of a professional auditor, that ought be the most respected role model.

Dissemination gimmick role models, is off the role model that is the most important role model of the subject.   Technically, per the Ethics policy fundamental principles, it&#039;s even out ethics to be promoting these other role models of the regs and crim regs and these oddball disseminator role models.

Nobody&#039;s gonna reach OT 8 unless enough Scientologists become auditors.

One thing I&#039;ve noticed reading freezone writings by splinter Scientologists, is they go through LRH&#039;s learning curve in discarding the unnecessary frivolous gimmicks, eventually.

And the ex great auditors and C/Ses, they mostly just carry on delivering auditing, since that&#039;s about the most core part there is, of the subject.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Scientology is allowing freedom of creative dissemination patters for the staffs of Class 5 orgs, but not freedom to discuss their spiritual practice.</p>
<p>Regs and crim regs are okay to emulate, but there&#8217;s no strategic push for he beingness which should predominate and should be the valance that even top managers ought know in their bones, the beingness of an auditor.</p>
<p>LRH said in Flag Ship Order to the Sea Org crew aboard the Apollo, that at some distant time in a Sea Org crew member&#8217;s life, it was expected they become a Class 8 and OEC trained.</p>
<p>The beingness of a Scientologist should be that of a professional auditor, that ought be the most respected role model.</p>
<p>Dissemination gimmick role models, is off the role model that is the most important role model of the subject.   Technically, per the Ethics policy fundamental principles, it&#8217;s even out ethics to be promoting these other role models of the regs and crim regs and these oddball disseminator role models.</p>
<p>Nobody&#8217;s gonna reach OT 8 unless enough Scientologists become auditors.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ve noticed reading freezone writings by splinter Scientologists, is they go through LRH&#8217;s learning curve in discarding the unnecessary frivolous gimmicks, eventually.</p>
<p>And the ex great auditors and C/Ses, they mostly just carry on delivering auditing, since that&#8217;s about the most core part there is, of the subject.</p>
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