Oh, yes, thank you. My action is the consequence of adding hope + solitudiness.

I did recieved your comment notification in my email!! So might others react to my writings, hopefuly.

What do you think about it?

Julius, you DO realize you are asking questions of people who no longer post here and haven’t for years?

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What is the pre-requisite for studying the Class VI? Processing level of CLEAR. Per LRH.

Why?

Because a CLEAR has a new point of view from where to undestand things. Therefore it is valid to study again ALL the BOOKS, ALL the materials, and now add new ones, and all in the timeline secquence of its development-refinement.

I am not convinced of investing all the time needed to do that but… I can see the logic of it. And also at the OTVIII level, might be valid again, specially at that level!

Who has not understood better Dianetics Book One, after some processing?
Who has not understood better Science of Survival after some auditing. Either receiving or giving it. Even after suffering a physical trauma and recovering from it.

The UNDERSTAING, changes depending on the point of view and the awareness witch which it is attained.

After all…

(paraphrashing) “…. A truth validity depends on its alignment about other truths”

“…. A data is truth related to other data”

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Post-Script: Axiom 58

Intelligence and judgment are measured by the ability to evaluate relative importances.

COROLLARY: The ability to evaluate importances and unimportances is the highest faculty of logic.

COROLLARY: Identification is a monotone assignment of importance.

COROLLARY: Identification is the inability to evaluate differences in time, location, form, composition or importance.

I already answered your “you-You-YOU” comment (differences of meaning-mangnitude for the word “you”). It has a lot to do with “orders of magnitude… of BEINGNESS!!”.

Question: What and Who do y-o-u think y-o-u are?

At lower Bridge: Answer = “Me, confused”. Actuality = A thetan sitting in the middle of a lot of machinery, own and owned, just looking what happens (effect) from a single point of view.

At middle Bridge: Answer = “Me, detached from old confussions”. Actuality = A thetan held by a singular body and other minds fixations and energy connections, inadvertingly confussing own toughts with other’s.

At middle-high Bridge: Answer = “Me being held by others”. Actuality = A thetan believing he is a single entity that has to be cleaned from other-determinisms.

At high Bridge (OT VIII and beyond). Answer = “Me… but could be something else… here but could be somwhere else”. Actuality = A thetan free of great interferences that could start to decide to be more than a single entity, more than what can be defined in MEST terms, … like “I am the rain, the spirit of this forrest, I am the river, I am love-energy, I am the wind of the west….I am going to be something new in a different universe”. Now, THAT IS A DIFFERENT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF SELF-DEFINITION!! And a condition where definitions of CHARACTER are indeed needed, especially for helping in avoiding to assume degrading beingnesses!!

I expanded a little your explanation. It is the same concept. Thanks for trowing the ball for a hit. Now comes a Home-Run.

1st base. If Rudiments are merely to get rid of immediate interferences with session.
2nd base. If Lower Grades are merely to get rid of continuos deeper interferences to be able to address a 1st Dyn bank.
3rd base. If Lower OT levels (called pre-OT levels) are merely to get rid of other deeper interferences with self-determinism.
4t base (Home). If Middle OT levels (OT VIII … ) create a state of “being capable of stop forgeting and continuos fresh look at anything in MEST (some describe it as acquiring a stable-immense TR 0)

… then …

At between all those stages, there is LESS interference and a NEW POINT OF VIEW to understand things.

… THEN …

It might give new insights just to re-study training materials, and even exercising training abilities. Therefore it is VALID to go trough the materials again. You can expect new realizations (cognitions) in a broader sense, and new postulates on how and when to use the knowledge.

After all, the Processing side of The Bridge itself is a repeated re-loop of the same basic concepts but in wider and deeper order of magnitud. Why not to similar in the Training side of it?

Was it a Home Run in logical thinking about the structure of The Bridge?

I am very interested in two things.

1. What was the checklist of the Survival Rundown?
2. Why they cancelled it? (The public excuse and the real reason)

I see your points here. You are very right.

Actually, the Bridge seems to be a straight path but if you look at it from the Tech point of view it is a streamlined of a spiral. LRH mentions many times the “inward spiral” (he uses a more fancy word).

TRs and Objectives: To put a pc there in PT.
Grade 0: To make him talk. (Now you can have a session, so let’s dwell into the GPM).
Grade I: To make even the must recognizable problems.
Grade II: How did you have problem and withold communications in the first place? (Oh, yes, by commiting overts, so let’s get rid of their major reestimulations)

By the way, those three Grades addresses exactly what addresses the rudiments at each and every session start. And the “auxiliary havingness process” is actualy a locational aiming at the same goal as the TRs and Objectives.

So the Rudiments and the TRs and Objectives are the mini-upward spiral. The mini-increasing awareness.

The TRs and Objectives and the first 3 Grades are the medium-upward spiral. The medium increasing of awareness.

Then what follows is: Well, you have got a good release and can confront a lot more. Let’s do it to a level where there is more complexity. Let’s take any upset (ARCX, Grade 0 material) and any huge problem with someone (Problems, Grade 1) and conflicting ideas-postulates-actions-morals and take them all together.

Grade III: Fixations and confusions (which are more complex problems and a broader and more detailed view on ARCX)
Grade IV: How did you came over all of that? Oh, yes, you were hiding yourself, used the autopilot of the Facsimile of Service (which makes it possible to commit overts). Let’s take those out now, then you could be You.

Well, we got out of sight what you used to a) not to be here, b) not to be You. Now you can have a deeper type of session. Let’s go now really into the mind, fully, not to release superficially but to erase diving in it completely. Because a) and b) we can have a “session”l this time of Dianetics.

Well, I think I made the point. The Bridge is an unfolding spiral of more and more abilities on a very similar type of thing. They just change in magnitud and because of that, differ also in name and a little bit of concepts, but nevertheless are fo the same nature.

Of course, OT VIII, per definition, is mega-TR0 where the Objective is the whole MEST universe surrounding the thetan. Also by definition in its statement (“get rid of the main cause of amnesia in the whole track”) is a mega-StraightWire (can recall).

So, by this logic, OT IX and X would be similar to TRs, Objectives, Grade 0 and Grade I. In a different order of magnitud. It is the unfolding of the thetan, which for the very first time is it itself since the beggining of the entrampent in MEST and thus, can extrovert (TRs. Objectives) but to bigger spheres and other dimensions, recognizes itself freely and emanates its own “character”.

Hey, but now, why limit the thetan to just Be Here, that would be invalidating. So, create be here and not be here, be other place, thus “remote viewing”. It is simply to create another point of view.

I see that powerful magic starts there. Altough many can do it to some degree even without The Bridge.

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All of the above is parallel to
1. Where you are?
2. What are you being?
3. Who are you?

In different orders of magnitud of awareness.

Does this make sense to you? I would like your comments.

I love how you explained it, but let’s add more points of view! (I do not know where to discuss Tech with real thinkers, seems to me you are one of the few!)

1. Introversion and extroversion, both aspects of freedom about objects.

Freedom: Could be defined by the absence of barriers, the absence of limitations. That is equivalent to “be able to be (located) or not to be, to do or not to do, to have or not to have”. Simply put, can get in and can get out of anything.

Objectives do interiorize in order to release the locks related to them and thus eliminate any avoidance and also any fixation on the objects being used in the processes. In my personal experience, if you do not run enough a process, yes, you get somehow fixated. But that is because it was not run enough. If well run, you can see the Tone Scale unfolding dynamically along the processing time and you will eventually hit a major release, and fixations will diminish. This is my experience with a simple Reach and Withdray.

The speed in reaching and also in withdrawing, the ability to handle the objects or to think while those objects are present (physically perceived and thus possibly reestimulating something), that speed is an indicator of freedom.

So, yes, they are the opposite of any subjective (theta) processing. That is their intention, to process the relation of the thetan with MEST. It is not to process the thetan with THETA (or entheta).

2. Location of points of view by anchoring points to have a thetan and have a session.

All the lower part of the Bridge came from the OT research. And the refinements made in later years ended in Standard Tech. Which is made of very precise definitions. One that is valid and basic is “session: The pc interested in his own case and willing to talk to the auditor”.

For the basic action of auditing there must be someone present. The more the present is the pc, the better and deeper will the processing ocurr. To be there in PT, one should be in the best “not avoiding the PT” condition possible. That is why you want to have a thetan sitting in there, inside that body, being aware as much as possible. Otherwise you could be auditing a machine or a robot-humanoid PTS, or degraded being, or just the scapped mind of a SP (no thetan being aware of what is happening, no big wins, no past life memories).

Basically, you have the TRs and Objective at the start because the lower Bridge is entirely designed to PUT a PC there. And then, you make him TALK to the auditor with Grade O and have a “session”.

I have done R&W with “walls” and was formidable. But it is not just to “feel free about them and be able to spot tiny details or to jump ever them”, I have gone past that type of E/P many times. It is not enough, there is more to be run. Actually you can run up the whole Tonal Scale, or at least until a creative thinking comes about ideas (that is about +20 in the TS).

Perhaps this type of E/P cannot be reached just by a physical action by itself. I have done it. It is not the same as if you ALSO have the permit to LOOK at the bank, in that case, you just as-is (ITSA technique) freely to whatever comes, but keep doing the R/W and the case will unravel totally and the tought Emotional Tone will follow the body Emotional Tone.

Is this experience making sense to some of you reading this? I really will appreciate any exchange of points of view about what this!!!

“Pretending not to know. “

Well, the problem here Peter is that you are at the wrong blog. Comments like this do nothing here other than elicit responses disagreeing with you (as I would with respect to a lot of what you have written). There are other places that you will find an audience.

You may not be aware, but I originally started this blog to reach those still inside the bubble and those sitting on the fringes with information that might help them find some truth. Those people will never agree with assertions that everything Hubbard wrote was stolen, or that he had no original thought or that you would have been better off dead than in scientology. I would never expect them to.

If this blog turns into endless comments trashing everything about scientology and/or L. Ron Hubbard then it loses its purpose for existing.

I am all for free speech and consider that differing opinions, as long as they are civilly presented, are healthy. But there is a limit here because of the intended audience. You can hammer away as long and loud as you want on ESMB or Clambake or Tony’s unmoderated comments section. You will find plenty of people who agree with you.

I know that as soon as you try and tell someone still sipping KoolAid that everything they have ever experienced is a lie and a waste of time, you have lost your audience.

To quote Monty Python “Well I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition.” But for the most part, Alanzo, I agree with you. I will go even further and say that the old man stole all of it. I know some of the people who made the discoveries for Mr. Hubbard. I also know where he got the original concepts for Dianetics and who did it all for him. Then he stole it all and pretended that it was all his own. Everything about the man was a sham and a scam. He didn’t “research and develop” Dianetics, He did not come up with Scientology (not even the name is not original) He did not invent or even modify the e-meter. His green on white policy is so bad that, if followed to the letter, is guaranteed to send a business into bankruptcy and without an army of slave labourers the church would not have survived.
I was not that badly off when I discovered Scientology but at first (as you rightly pointed out) I did originally think that it overcame some real problems that I was having in my life. The reality was that it destroyed my health, my wealth, my marriage, it alienated me from my family and turned me into some kind of religious fanatic for a long time.
So although there are some benefits that can be gained from the knowledge the real question is
“Would you be better off or worse off in your life if you had never come across Scientology.”
My answer to that question is that without doubt I would have been much much better of if I had never heard of Scientology.