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		By: Joe Pendleton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2024 12:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blame the voters. They have had ample opportunities to not keep the same people in office who have allowed this.  Now if you object to that comment by saying that not enough people on the other side are running for office offering the voters a choice, then my retort to that is the same: the citizens have the option of running for office. And donating money to campaigns that challenge the CoS. If the citizens of Clearwater don&#039;t care enough , then I certainly don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame the voters. They have had ample opportunities to not keep the same people in office who have allowed this.  Now if you object to that comment by saying that not enough people on the other side are running for office offering the voters a choice, then my retort to that is the same: the citizens have the option of running for office. And donating money to campaigns that challenge the CoS. If the citizens of Clearwater don&#8217;t care enough , then I certainly don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2024 20:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567331&quot;&gt;Alcoboy&lt;/a&gt;.

Alcoboy, I hear you with regard to the SO being pumped up into believing that they are a speckial breed of people and therefore superior to all other beings, etc.

I do get and I have no doubt that you&#039;re correct on this assessment of their belief in their own superiority.

I&#039;ve had the privilige of meeting and becoming well aquainted with several &quot;superior&quot; people/  Well liked, admired, trusted and greatly respected as well as monetarily successful in their fields , they were decent, modest,  down to earth types.  They could relate to janitors or wealthy tycoons and be respectful of both.  
A different kind of energy emanated from them.  When you got to know them you realized how superior they truly were.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567331">Alcoboy</a>.</p>
<p>Alcoboy, I hear you with regard to the SO being pumped up into believing that they are a speckial breed of people and therefore superior to all other beings, etc.</p>
<p>I do get and I have no doubt that you&#8217;re correct on this assessment of their belief in their own superiority.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had the privilige of meeting and becoming well aquainted with several &#8220;superior&#8221; people/  Well liked, admired, trusted and greatly respected as well as monetarily successful in their fields , they were decent, modest,  down to earth types.  They could relate to janitors or wealthy tycoons and be respectful of both.<br />
A different kind of energy emanated from them.  When you got to know them you realized how superior they truly were.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2024 18:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567318&quot;&gt;Yawn&lt;/a&gt;.

Right, Yawn!  Better not :)

Actually in my own defense, she did sneak up on us - -somehow all of a sudden she just THERE right behind us, barking out that order...it was non sequitur...weird.  She was weird.  Screw her.  I didn&#039;t like her style.  I can take orders, you know.I can listen and pay attention and take orders and follow them, and I can give orders too.  And I know how to give them in a way  that gets listened to and followed  without behaving like someone who grew up in a cave.  

Got it on all the TTSBR&#039;s.  I&#039;ve received my share of them but unlike your experience I was copied on them.   I think it was a way for Scientologists  to vent.  They mostly wrote these their own viewpoint, supporting their own opinions and leaving out inconvenient facts.  And some of the KR&#039;s written on me were quite outpointy too  - mostly opinion and conjecture, not observations or facts.  I KR&#039;d some of these people back for not knowing how to write a KR :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567318">Yawn</a>.</p>
<p>Right, Yawn!  Better not 🙂</p>
<p>Actually in my own defense, she did sneak up on us &#8211; -somehow all of a sudden she just THERE right behind us, barking out that order&#8230;it was non sequitur&#8230;weird.  She was weird.  Screw her.  I didn&#8217;t like her style.  I can take orders, you know.I can listen and pay attention and take orders and follow them, and I can give orders too.  And I know how to give them in a way  that gets listened to and followed  without behaving like someone who grew up in a cave.  </p>
<p>Got it on all the TTSBR&#8217;s.  I&#8217;ve received my share of them but unlike your experience I was copied on them.   I think it was a way for Scientologists  to vent.  They mostly wrote these their own viewpoint, supporting their own opinions and leaving out inconvenient facts.  And some of the KR&#8217;s written on me were quite outpointy too  &#8211; mostly opinion and conjecture, not observations or facts.  I KR&#8217;d some of these people back for not knowing how to write a KR 🙂</p>
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		By: Alcoboy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2024 17:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567280&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

My take on the SO is that these people are pumped up into believing that they are a special breed of people and therefore are above all beings not of their group. Trust me, I had quite a few run ins with SO members where they came off as bigger beings than myself.
Sort of the way Baldur Von Schirach trained the Hitler Youth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567280">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>My take on the SO is that these people are pumped up into believing that they are a special breed of people and therefore are above all beings not of their group. Trust me, I had quite a few run ins with SO members where they came off as bigger beings than myself.<br />
Sort of the way Baldur Von Schirach trained the Hitler Youth.</p>
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		By: Yawn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2024 12:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567280&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha, remind me not to piss you off, OK?
She probably did a write up on you but was too much of a coward to give you a copy (she would have lied her head off anyway). I had a quick peak into my #2 ethics folder once at Flag (fat one it was too) when the ethics officer was called out the room in some sort of hissy fit emergency. It was on the table and I was bored... I was startled by just how many, &quot;things that shouldn&#039;t be reports&quot; and KRs I don&#039;t recall getting a copy of were written on me, (one of the consequences of being a techie staff member I suppose). I do recall thinking at the time just how incredibly petty and narrow minded Scientologists can be, but the lies in those reports were staggering. Haha, gives me comfort now knowing I got on their nerves. What a snitch culture!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567280">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Haha, remind me not to piss you off, OK?<br />
She probably did a write up on you but was too much of a coward to give you a copy (she would have lied her head off anyway). I had a quick peak into my #2 ethics folder once at Flag (fat one it was too) when the ethics officer was called out the room in some sort of hissy fit emergency. It was on the table and I was bored&#8230; I was startled by just how many, &#8220;things that shouldn&#8217;t be reports&#8221; and KRs I don&#8217;t recall getting a copy of were written on me, (one of the consequences of being a techie staff member I suppose). I do recall thinking at the time just how incredibly petty and narrow minded Scientologists can be, but the lies in those reports were staggering. Haha, gives me comfort now knowing I got on their nerves. What a snitch culture!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2024 02:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567224&quot;&gt;Patty Moher&lt;/a&gt;.

Toni Chambranis!  That old buffalo!  I told her off once.  Wish I could tell you  more  details, the where and the when. What I can share is that I was on a course, and my twin and I were going to lunch, walking to a nearby lunch place.  We were discussing a blown student who happened to be a Sea Org member.  It was rather shocking that an SO would not show up for course for days with no explanation.That&#039;s what our course supervisor said anyway.  So we were discussing it in a rather offhand way an  all of a sudden this short dumpy 50ish looking woman in a Sea Org uniform is right behind us, practically breathing down our necks, saying, loudly, &quot;You can&#039;t talk about this!&quot;  Startled, we stopped in our tracks, turned around and stood there and gaped.   &quot;You can&#039;t talk about this!&quot;, she repeated,  louder and more emphatic this time, favoring her &quot;Tone 40 Command&quot; with what I now know as the cold chrome steel stare. 

 I mean, really!  No preliminary  on her part, no &quot;Excuse me, I couldn&#039;t help but overhear, and actually, you&#039;re not supposed to...&quot; delivering the warning in a more polite and respectful way.  No, it was Just, &quot;YOU CAN&#039;T TALK ABOUT THIS! &quot;  It was so rude. 

  Well... I have a temper sometimes and  without thinking blazed back at her,  &quot;And who  are you, the Speech Police?  What are we, in Communist Russia?   We can TALK!&quot;  Quite rude myself, actually.  My course twin, who knew me well, grabbed my wrist to signal that I should zip it with this creature but I flung off his hand and stared at her, furious, just waiting for her to come back at me with some other bullying comment.  Incredibly though, this extreme answering of rudeness of mine communicated to her, and in a lowered voice and a somewhat more respectful yet impatient tone she  explained how this SO member&#039;s blowing off course was NOT something which &quot;ought to be furthered&quot; .  My twin grabbed my wrist again and forced myself to calm down.   We stood and listened  and nodded our agreement about some policy or other that protects Sea Org members from bad PR, and and I heard my twin say &quot;Got it, totally&quot;, upon which she abruptly turned on her heel and left us.    The miracle of it all was that I didn&#039;t get written up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-election-why-mark-bunker/#comment-567224">Patty Moher</a>.</p>
<p>Toni Chambranis!  That old buffalo!  I told her off once.  Wish I could tell you  more  details, the where and the when. What I can share is that I was on a course, and my twin and I were going to lunch, walking to a nearby lunch place.  We were discussing a blown student who happened to be a Sea Org member.  It was rather shocking that an SO would not show up for course for days with no explanation.That&#8217;s what our course supervisor said anyway.  So we were discussing it in a rather offhand way an  all of a sudden this short dumpy 50ish looking woman in a Sea Org uniform is right behind us, practically breathing down our necks, saying, loudly, &#8220;You can&#8217;t talk about this!&#8221;  Startled, we stopped in our tracks, turned around and stood there and gaped.   &#8220;You can&#8217;t talk about this!&#8221;, she repeated,  louder and more emphatic this time, favoring her &#8220;Tone 40 Command&#8221; with what I now know as the cold chrome steel stare. </p>
<p> I mean, really!  No preliminary  on her part, no &#8220;Excuse me, I couldn&#8217;t help but overhear, and actually, you&#8217;re not supposed to&#8230;&#8221; delivering the warning in a more polite and respectful way.  No, it was Just, &#8220;YOU CAN&#8217;T TALK ABOUT THIS! &#8221;  It was so rude. </p>
<p>  Well&#8230; I have a temper sometimes and  without thinking blazed back at her,  &#8220;And who  are you, the Speech Police?  What are we, in Communist Russia?   We can TALK!&#8221;  Quite rude myself, actually.  My course twin, who knew me well, grabbed my wrist to signal that I should zip it with this creature but I flung off his hand and stared at her, furious, just waiting for her to come back at me with some other bullying comment.  Incredibly though, this extreme answering of rudeness of mine communicated to her, and in a lowered voice and a somewhat more respectful yet impatient tone she  explained how this SO member&#8217;s blowing off course was NOT something which &#8220;ought to be furthered&#8221; .  My twin grabbed my wrist again and forced myself to calm down.   We stood and listened  and nodded our agreement about some policy or other that protects Sea Org members from bad PR, and and I heard my twin say &#8220;Got it, totally&#8221;, upon which she abruptly turned on her heel and left us.    The miracle of it all was that I didn&#8217;t get written up.</p>
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		By: Patty Moher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2024 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“The Church operates within the law in all its activities,” he added.

Ya, right. As a person who worked 16 years for Boston OSA Invest, I can assure you that is what the cult calls an “acceptable truth”.

OSA hires attorneys who then hire Private Investigators who then hire thugs to do the outside-of-the-law actions.

This way the cult can claim they have clean hands because no church member was directly or even indirectly involved. The cult is three steps away from the guy who commits the crime. Kind of like the mafia.

When I did work for OSA Boston Invest, I was told by Toni Chrambanis the CO OSA EUS that I would never do anything illegal as they had PI’s for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The Church operates within the law in all its activities,” he added.</p>
<p>Ya, right. As a person who worked 16 years for Boston OSA Invest, I can assure you that is what the cult calls an “acceptable truth”.</p>
<p>OSA hires attorneys who then hire Private Investigators who then hire thugs to do the outside-of-the-law actions.</p>
<p>This way the cult can claim they have clean hands because no church member was directly or even indirectly involved. The cult is three steps away from the guy who commits the crime. Kind of like the mafia.</p>
<p>When I did work for OSA Boston Invest, I was told by Toni Chrambanis the CO OSA EUS that I would never do anything illegal as they had PI’s for that.</p>
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