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		By: Jane Doe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Doe]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2841&quot;&gt;SRL&lt;/a&gt;.

SRL, Don&#039;t beat yourself up.  You weren&#039;t the only one who was so gullible and so used as a puppet at that time.  I was there too and now I see how we all were just puppets and so lied to and manipulated.  It makes me sick to think of it.  And to add to this, I talked to two young SO members recently and asked them if we won the case that we went to Portland to protest?  They proudly beamed and said, &quot;Of course we did!&quot; with enthusiasm.  But we did NOT win that case.  So the young are being told a history of the church which is untrue.  Our church&#039;s history is being rewritten by an SP and the gullible young eat it up like baby birds with their beaks wide open for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2841">SRL</a>.</p>
<p>SRL, Don&#8217;t beat yourself up.  You weren&#8217;t the only one who was so gullible and so used as a puppet at that time.  I was there too and now I see how we all were just puppets and so lied to and manipulated.  It makes me sick to think of it.  And to add to this, I talked to two young SO members recently and asked them if we won the case that we went to Portland to protest?  They proudly beamed and said, &#8220;Of course we did!&#8221; with enthusiasm.  But we did NOT win that case.  So the young are being told a history of the church which is untrue.  Our church&#8217;s history is being rewritten by an SP and the gullible young eat it up like baby birds with their beaks wide open for it.</p>
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		By: Mary Rathernotsay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Rathernotsay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2860&quot;&gt;Yor Bor&lt;/a&gt;.

Yor Bor said, &quot;I had a thought. Isn’t putting a picture of Heber attracting attention to the fact that he’s no longer the official spokesman of Scientology? Heber has been incarcerated for over a decade now. Won’t this image of him snap something in certain Scientologists&#039; minds to start questioning, ‘Where is Heber?’ and ‘Why hasn’t he made any public appearances at events in over a decade&quot;

I believe that if long-time Scientologists have forgotten about Heber to the extent that they require a photo to jog their memories, then sadly the photo won&#039;t be enough.  Don&#039;t forget that these are the same folks who can glibly refer to DM as Chairman of the Board without asking themselves, What Board?  Who are the members of this so-called &quot;board&quot; that he is supposed to be Chairman of?  Doesn&#039;t a board and a chairman of the board answer to the stockholders, etc.?  I&#039;ve concluded that folks are fooled because they choose to be fooled.  It&#039;s somehow easier than thinking for oneself.
If there&#039;s a way to help free Heber I am all for it.  Meanwhile Mike&#039;s blog is doing a world of good.
Between Mike&#039;s blog and Marty&#039;s, and Marty&#039;s upcoming book, it is just a matter of time before this house of cards goes down.  I can&#039;t wait.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2860">Yor Bor</a>.</p>
<p>Yor Bor said, &#8220;I had a thought. Isn’t putting a picture of Heber attracting attention to the fact that he’s no longer the official spokesman of Scientology? Heber has been incarcerated for over a decade now. Won’t this image of him snap something in certain Scientologists&#8217; minds to start questioning, ‘Where is Heber?’ and ‘Why hasn’t he made any public appearances at events in over a decade&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that if long-time Scientologists have forgotten about Heber to the extent that they require a photo to jog their memories, then sadly the photo won&#8217;t be enough.  Don&#8217;t forget that these are the same folks who can glibly refer to DM as Chairman of the Board without asking themselves, What Board?  Who are the members of this so-called &#8220;board&#8221; that he is supposed to be Chairman of?  Doesn&#8217;t a board and a chairman of the board answer to the stockholders, etc.?  I&#8217;ve concluded that folks are fooled because they choose to be fooled.  It&#8217;s somehow easier than thinking for oneself.<br />
If there&#8217;s a way to help free Heber I am all for it.  Meanwhile Mike&#8217;s blog is doing a world of good.<br />
Between Mike&#8217;s blog and Marty&#8217;s, and Marty&#8217;s upcoming book, it is just a matter of time before this house of cards goes down.  I can&#8217;t wait.</p>
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		By: Yor Bor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 20:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a thought. Isn&#039;t putting a picture of Heber attracting attention to the fact that he&#039;s no longer the official spokesman of Scientology? Heber has been encarcerated for over a decade now. Won&#039;t this image of him snap something in certain Scientologists minds to start questioning, &#039;Where is Heber?&#039; and &#039;Why hasn&#039;t he made any public appearances at events in over a decade?&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a thought. Isn&#8217;t putting a picture of Heber attracting attention to the fact that he&#8217;s no longer the official spokesman of Scientology? Heber has been encarcerated for over a decade now. Won&#8217;t this image of him snap something in certain Scientologists minds to start questioning, &#8216;Where is Heber?&#8217; and &#8216;Why hasn&#8217;t he made any public appearances at events in over a decade?&#8217;</p>
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		By: Nomnom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nomnom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 17:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2845&quot;&gt;Joe Pendleton&lt;/a&gt;.

True enough.
 And that applies to all those in &#039;the Hole&#039; as well and to those still in the mental prison that Scientology has become.
It always amazes me that those still &quot;in&quot; can&#039;t have the cognition that what surrounds them is not what is written in the policies and is not what they signed up for.  What lack of integrity!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2845">Joe Pendleton</a>.</p>
<p>True enough.<br />
 And that applies to all those in &#8216;the Hole&#8217; as well and to those still in the mental prison that Scientology has become.<br />
It always amazes me that those still &#8220;in&#8221; can&#8217;t have the cognition that what surrounds them is not what is written in the policies and is not what they signed up for.  What lack of integrity!</p>
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		By: Yor Bor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yor Bor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 14:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember Heber coming to an event at the New York org sometime in 1989 or 1990. This was just after he was released from Spanish prison. There was a trail against the cult for fraud in Spain and he and other Spanish Scientologists were arrested. He seemed to play the part of a reverend from what I remembered. Compared to other sea org members, he seemed much more pleasant to be around.

Miscavige is such a little punk and is so jealous of anyone that&#039;s popular. This is a trademark of many dictators. They get rid of people who become popular with the people. Fidel Castro sent Che Guevara away to South America to spread the &#039;gospel&#039; of communism. Che was very popular with the Cuban people and Castro couldn&#039;t have that. So there you go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Heber coming to an event at the New York org sometime in 1989 or 1990. This was just after he was released from Spanish prison. There was a trail against the cult for fraud in Spain and he and other Spanish Scientologists were arrested. He seemed to play the part of a reverend from what I remembered. Compared to other sea org members, he seemed much more pleasant to be around.</p>
<p>Miscavige is such a little punk and is so jealous of anyone that&#8217;s popular. This is a trademark of many dictators. They get rid of people who become popular with the people. Fidel Castro sent Che Guevara away to South America to spread the &#8216;gospel&#8217; of communism. Che was very popular with the Cuban people and Castro couldn&#8217;t have that. So there you go.</p>
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		By: newcomer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[newcomer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 14:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2851&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Pleeeeease!  The only thing that would impinge on Der Midget is a good case of Leprosy!]]></description>
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<p>Pleeeeease!  The only thing that would impinge on Der Midget is a good case of Leprosy!</p>
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		By: Conan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Conan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 13:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For god sake, does it get any more repulsive than this?

Yes, your Holiness Pope Slappy the First, I do remember, and I won’t be fooled again.

The  only celebrating I’ll be doing is when you release Mr. Heber Jentzsch from your Scientology GULAG.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For god sake, does it get any more repulsive than this?</p>
<p>Yes, your Holiness Pope Slappy the First, I do remember, and I won’t be fooled again.</p>
<p>The  only celebrating I’ll be doing is when you release Mr. Heber Jentzsch from your Scientology GULAG.</p>
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		By: Aeolus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aeolus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 13:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the poster pretty well sums up the situation, in an ironic way.  The top half, the part we remember, shows people in it, and a Declaration of Religious Freedom.  There is life there, and theta.  Something important happening.  The bottom half, the Scientology of today that we are supposed to celebrate, shows an empty room.  Clean and orderly, nice MEST, but no life, no theta.  And perhaps most ironic of all, No Heber!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the poster pretty well sums up the situation, in an ironic way.  The top half, the part we remember, shows people in it, and a Declaration of Religious Freedom.  There is life there, and theta.  Something important happening.  The bottom half, the Scientology of today that we are supposed to celebrate, shows an empty room.  Clean and orderly, nice MEST, but no life, no theta.  And perhaps most ironic of all, No Heber!</p>
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		By: Chris from Germany		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris from Germany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 12:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2835&quot;&gt;Robert Almblad&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Robert,
is this really true? All but 2 staff were auditing on the Clearing Course or OT levels?!? I´d like to get more information about this time you were there. Want to contact me via E-Mail? (Get it from Mike, if so.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/corporate-scientology-has-no-shame-it-is-heber/#comment-2835">Robert Almblad</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Robert,<br />
is this really true? All but 2 staff were auditing on the Clearing Course or OT levels?!? I´d like to get more information about this time you were there. Want to contact me via E-Mail? (Get it from Mike, if so.)</p>
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		By: Wendy Munro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy Munro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 08:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting. I did not know that Portland was a loss, and that there had been improper influence over the judicial officer. Wow. I recall also a post on Marty&#039;s blog on 28 November 2012 where Judge Schaeffer&#039;s registrar / assistant deposed to an affidavit that Miscavige had attempted to approach the Judge ex parte during the McPherson trial (affidavit was used in the Dandar case). That&#039;s going to be the legacy of the church&#039;s behaviour in the courts: Brazen impropriety. So glad I am not associated with that - I would &quot;lose my eternity&quot; if I didn&#039;t distance myself ! Karma will be the judge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I did not know that Portland was a loss, and that there had been improper influence over the judicial officer. Wow. I recall also a post on Marty&#8217;s blog on 28 November 2012 where Judge Schaeffer&#8217;s registrar / assistant deposed to an affidavit that Miscavige had attempted to approach the Judge ex parte during the McPherson trial (affidavit was used in the Dandar case). That&#8217;s going to be the legacy of the church&#8217;s behaviour in the courts: Brazen impropriety. So glad I am not associated with that &#8211; I would &#8220;lose my eternity&#8221; if I didn&#8217;t distance myself ! Karma will be the judge.</p>
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