Good points, Aquamarine. Maybe Lou is doing it just to “get along” and avoid the hole. But her own integrity is so out that her self respect must also be MIA to be cavorting with a married man, and a “religious leader” to boot. And DM is horrible to still wear his wedding ring and pretend to the uninformed that he is still a married man. In Marty’s book, a worried Shelley asked Marty if DM was still wearing his wedding ring when he saw him last. She knew she was on thin ice and was trying to figure out where she stood with DM and so asked Marty about the wedding ring. Well, Shelley, yes he is still wearing his ring while cheating on you. But as Aqua said, you got the better deal than Lou.

GTBO – regarding COB to be “god-like” – it reminds me of the stories about the “Ancient Aliens,” where the simple and pre-technology people saw a “chariot of fire “in the sky and thought that “Gods” came out of them. Who else could they be, if the chariots came ‘out of the heavens’.

Same with DM. Ron is held in high elevation and DM comes from “over the rainbow,” so the simple people figure that he must be a god, or at least someone to respect.

Like those people of old, the modern-day, everyday Scientologist endeavors to be honest, ethical and helpful to the people of the world. Unfortunately, they aren’t well versed in the street smarts of the sociopath so they don’t even consider that it’s possible that ‘OUR COB’ would even consider any larceny and believe a thought like that to be heresy.

It’s like the sheeple of the world in general, when you talk to them about indefinite detention or chemtrail germ warfare. “Oh, our government wouldn’t do that to UUUUUUUUSSSSSS!” Then they report you to that same government for thinking “negative thoughts”.

Hi Tim – for the record, I think that was someone who replied to me, not me.

Thanks, Mike. I thought WOW!! What a change! I appreciate the correction.

I can see a group forming already. 😉

+1 I have observed what you say about SO members to be true, CanSpeak. At least the ones at the public delivery level.

To me, the outpoint is not the training level necessarily, but the courage level and Data Series knowledge, combined with the amount of PTSness. One way that Ron defines a PTS person is that the suppressive is “antagonistic to your PC”. Not necessarily antagonistic to Scientology (though DM is that too) but antagonistic to the person him/her self.

I don’t have the reference here but it is in the PTS/SP course references.

Old School – I wasn’t there so I don’t know. Curious – were you there? If not, what is your source because I would honestly like to know more about that. I would love to hear from someone who was actually there at that time, in that sphere of influence that saw it all go down.

I understand what you say but I have never seen an issue that gave little DM “Loyal Officer” status, have you?

Plus, from reading the accounts of people who were there, DM did a lot of strong arming to get people out of the way so he could take over that post after Ron died.

I’m sorry to say that it sounds to me that Ron was pretty much kept like a mushroom by DM and Pat Broeker in Ron’s last days. I don’t know how much Ron knew about what DM was doing behind his back.

What are your thoughts about that?

+1 Richard!

Joe Pendelton – Yes on all points. That’s why Indies seem to want to stay independent – from any groups, it seems. But I agree with you. If we could all come together with an admin scale that covered those points you addressed so well, I feel that we could be a group of independents.

Though that may sound like an oxymoron, we could do it. Scientology, the way it used to be, might be one of the few schools of thought that could pull it off. Not the only one but it could be possible.

A dear, old school, 1950’s staff member friend who worked with Ron told me, “We’re really all just a bunch of barbarians! It’s amazing to me that we all can work together in a group and not kill each other! hahahahaha!”

He gave credit to Ron’s tech that we could work together at all. Food for thought.

Anyway, Mike has my address if you want to pow-wow about that, Joe.

Since we know the real tech and we are, those of us who are, the real friends of Ron, I think we have some sort of an obligation not to let all that hard work slip into historical obscurity, if we can help it.

Sorry about the typo – Mark Shreffler