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		By: A Fine Mess &#8211; Dror Friends		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Fine Mess &#8211; Dror Friends]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="http://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/" rel="ugc">http://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/</a>. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: calvin b. duffield		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6513</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6453&quot;&gt;Ralph Hilton&lt;/a&gt;.

Btw Ralph, to my understanding, it&#039;s DUPLICATION, that counts, not the time taken to achieve it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6453">Ralph Hilton</a>.</p>
<p>Btw Ralph, to my understanding, it&#8217;s DUPLICATION, that counts, not the time taken to achieve it.</p>
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		By: calvin b. duffield		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6470</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6453&quot;&gt;Ralph Hilton&lt;/a&gt;.

With pleasure Ralph.... Enough  to discern who and what I&#039;m dealing with. My current mix includes
dealing with dangerous, hardened criminals! ...Hope that helps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6453">Ralph Hilton</a>.</p>
<p>With pleasure Ralph&#8230;. Enough  to discern who and what I&#8217;m dealing with. My current mix includes<br />
dealing with dangerous, hardened criminals! &#8230;Hope that helps.</p>
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		By: Ralph Hilton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6239&quot;&gt;calvin b. duffield&lt;/a&gt;.

calvin - Phil said some sensible things. Please tell us all how many hours of auditing and training (hours reading stuf on the bus to work do not count) you have had.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6239">calvin b. duffield</a>.</p>
<p>calvin &#8211; Phil said some sensible things. Please tell us all how many hours of auditing and training (hours reading stuf on the bus to work do not count) you have had.</p>
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		By: Theo Sismanides		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6388</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6237&quot;&gt;Dani Lemberger&lt;/a&gt;.

Dani thank you very much for the invitation! I will be very happy to come back to Haifa. I will put all positive thoughts and we stay in touch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6237">Dani Lemberger</a>.</p>
<p>Dani thank you very much for the invitation! I will be very happy to come back to Haifa. I will put all positive thoughts and we stay in touch.</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6364</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6320&quot;&gt;Dani Lemberger&lt;/a&gt;.

And thank you for all that you and for sharing the success.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6320">Dani Lemberger</a>.</p>
<p>And thank you for all that you and for sharing the success.</p>
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		By: The Oracle		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6363</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Standing Ovation Dani!    The &quot;Ruling class&quot; op termed him.  He then created his own &quot;ruling class&quot;.  The Sea Org.  These people elect themselves officers or not.  Throw the ones they do not want anymore under the bus.  They use the M.A.A.s to run control on the masses.  Corp Scn, has become a ruling class. Who is funding them? the big donators, the ruling class helps the ruling class. There are people that can not think outside of a class system or without being a ruling class or being ruled by a ruling class.  This is not NEW.  Scientology may be new, but the system is ancient.  There are people who simply can not operate as associated terminals.  But that is WAAAY up there.

The ruling class is at false significance s.

They use police types to control the masses beneath them as menacing particles.


From ORG series 23.




(HCO PL 16 February 1971, 

Lines and Terminals) 

There is a scale concerning Lines and Terminals. 

ASSOCIATED TERMINALS 

SIGNIFICANCES 

FALSE TERMINALS 

MISDIRECTED LINES 

WRONG PARTICLES 

FALSE SIGNIFICANCES 

(Rumors) 

MYSTERIOUS TERMINALS 

CHAOTIC LINES 

MENACING PARTICLES 

DANGEROUS IMPRESSIONS 

NON-EXISTENT TERMINALS 

NON-EXISTENT LINES 

NON-EXISTENT PARTICLES 

UNCONSCIOUS IMPULSES 

THE CHAOS OF UNHAPPY NOTHINGNESS


The purpose of police is to run control on the masses and cover the asses of the ruling  class.
This is why David Miscavige is never sent to the M.A.A..  The M.A.A. is not for HIM.  The M.A.A. is not for the ruling class.  It is to control the class that is ruled, and cover the ass of the ruling class.  That is why spokespeople and O.S.A. for the Church spread false reports to the media and lie to millions with no regard for ethics and justice.  It is NOT for THEM.

I think the suppression in the Orgs comes from within, not from with out.  It the police mocked up to rule and control the class that is ruled.  But in Scientology you have people come into self determinsim and they choose NOT to be ruled by Officers of any sort.  And they bust out the back door.

I think the suppression in the Church comes from the ruling class.  And as people move up the bridge, if they really make it, they get to a place where they do not want to be shuffled around by the ruling class.

This is ANCIENT social intercourse. It is not new at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standing Ovation Dani!    The &#8220;Ruling class&#8221; op termed him.  He then created his own &#8220;ruling class&#8221;.  The Sea Org.  These people elect themselves officers or not.  Throw the ones they do not want anymore under the bus.  They use the M.A.A.s to run control on the masses.  Corp Scn, has become a ruling class. Who is funding them? the big donators, the ruling class helps the ruling class. There are people that can not think outside of a class system or without being a ruling class or being ruled by a ruling class.  This is not NEW.  Scientology may be new, but the system is ancient.  There are people who simply can not operate as associated terminals.  But that is WAAAY up there.</p>
<p>The ruling class is at false significance s.</p>
<p>They use police types to control the masses beneath them as menacing particles.</p>
<p>From ORG series 23.</p>
<p>(HCO PL 16 February 1971, </p>
<p>Lines and Terminals) </p>
<p>There is a scale concerning Lines and Terminals. </p>
<p>ASSOCIATED TERMINALS </p>
<p>SIGNIFICANCES </p>
<p>FALSE TERMINALS </p>
<p>MISDIRECTED LINES </p>
<p>WRONG PARTICLES </p>
<p>FALSE SIGNIFICANCES </p>
<p>(Rumors) </p>
<p>MYSTERIOUS TERMINALS </p>
<p>CHAOTIC LINES </p>
<p>MENACING PARTICLES </p>
<p>DANGEROUS IMPRESSIONS </p>
<p>NON-EXISTENT TERMINALS </p>
<p>NON-EXISTENT LINES </p>
<p>NON-EXISTENT PARTICLES </p>
<p>UNCONSCIOUS IMPULSES </p>
<p>THE CHAOS OF UNHAPPY NOTHINGNESS</p>
<p>The purpose of police is to run control on the masses and cover the asses of the ruling  class.<br />
This is why David Miscavige is never sent to the M.A.A..  The M.A.A. is not for HIM.  The M.A.A. is not for the ruling class.  It is to control the class that is ruled, and cover the ass of the ruling class.  That is why spokespeople and O.S.A. for the Church spread false reports to the media and lie to millions with no regard for ethics and justice.  It is NOT for THEM.</p>
<p>I think the suppression in the Orgs comes from within, not from with out.  It the police mocked up to rule and control the class that is ruled.  But in Scientology you have people come into self determinsim and they choose NOT to be ruled by Officers of any sort.  And they bust out the back door.</p>
<p>I think the suppression in the Church comes from the ruling class.  And as people move up the bridge, if they really make it, they get to a place where they do not want to be shuffled around by the ruling class.</p>
<p>This is ANCIENT social intercourse. It is not new at all.</p>
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		By: Ronnie Bell		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6359</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6355&quot;&gt;Moonshot&lt;/a&gt;.

Where&#039;s the &#039;like&#039; button? Well said, Moonshot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6355">Moonshot</a>.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the &#8216;like&#8217; button? Well said, Moonshot.</p>
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		By: Moonshot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moonshot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 03:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6264&quot;&gt;Formost&lt;/a&gt;.

You are completely missing the point. Dani is not saying that every post in an organisation should be elected or up for a vote. The crucial point here is one of ownership and ultimate responsiblilty. Like in a nation state or large business corporation. In these cases there is a form and hierarchy to the org and it can be run on governing policiies and most posts are appointed. But if things go very badly, the voters or shareholders...the ultimate stakeholders, can replace top managemnt if its needed. 

Dani&#039;s point is that LRH doesnt ever really address WHO owns the damn thing. Dani is saying we can take responisbility for that and creat orgs owned by the entire public and ultimately, then policy and tech can go in and the orgs can grow organically as they will be responsive both to the needs of the public and the reality of the enviroment they operate in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6264">Formost</a>.</p>
<p>You are completely missing the point. Dani is not saying that every post in an organisation should be elected or up for a vote. The crucial point here is one of ownership and ultimate responsiblilty. Like in a nation state or large business corporation. In these cases there is a form and hierarchy to the org and it can be run on governing policiies and most posts are appointed. But if things go very badly, the voters or shareholders&#8230;the ultimate stakeholders, can replace top managemnt if its needed. </p>
<p>Dani&#8217;s point is that LRH doesnt ever really address WHO owns the damn thing. Dani is saying we can take responisbility for that and creat orgs owned by the entire public and ultimately, then policy and tech can go in and the orgs can grow organically as they will be responsive both to the needs of the public and the reality of the enviroment they operate in.</p>
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		By: Dani Lemberger		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many thanks to all who read my article and to those who commented. 
Isn&#039;t it wonderful that we CAN think, we CAN exchange viepoints and we CAN disagree! And isn&#039;t it weird that this is new to Scientology?
Tami and I established Dror Center 21 years ago, it expanded but hit a glass ceiling 4-5 years ago. Looking at it, I realized Dror can no longer be mine, I cannot own the very competent staff we have. We changed operating base, transformed Dror into a registered partnership, 5 partners, each holding 20%, and the place started taking off again.
When we saw in early 2012 that the CoS was totally insane, we held many discussions and each one separately and the 5 of us together, decided to leave. 40 of our 50 public left with us. 
Since July 2012, when we left, we were helped enormously by our free-spirited Scn friends world-wide, (the list is long, but just a few: Marty, Mike, Claudio, Silvia, Dan, Jim, Steve, Debbie ...)
We now have approx 55 public, are bigger than we ever were and deliver the full Bridge, life repair to &quot;Solo NOTs&quot;. (Oops, I did it again, we have letters from the CoS lawyers forbidding us to use the name &#039;Solo NOTs&#039;).
In my little corner or the world, participation, empowerment and fostering high KRC, works. 
Just this last week I was mostly off-lines, writing the article, and we had almost highest-ever. 32 public in auditing with our 4 auditors, 14 students in the Academy and 4 (yes, FOUR!) new starts. 
Getting new public to start is getting easy and fun again. They are happy to pay for genuine care and for the gains they are having with simple Standard Tech.
I am glad we are talking and looking for better ways to do Scientology. At least we can recognize something went wrong, that Ron apparently erred somewhere. And we&#039;re taking responsibility and working together to figure it out.
I am proud to be a member of this group, I&#039;m actually blown-out, having the time of my life. 
Thank you my friends for being such great friends.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks to all who read my article and to those who commented.<br />
Isn&#8217;t it wonderful that we CAN think, we CAN exchange viepoints and we CAN disagree! And isn&#8217;t it weird that this is new to Scientology?<br />
Tami and I established Dror Center 21 years ago, it expanded but hit a glass ceiling 4-5 years ago. Looking at it, I realized Dror can no longer be mine, I cannot own the very competent staff we have. We changed operating base, transformed Dror into a registered partnership, 5 partners, each holding 20%, and the place started taking off again.<br />
When we saw in early 2012 that the CoS was totally insane, we held many discussions and each one separately and the 5 of us together, decided to leave. 40 of our 50 public left with us.<br />
Since July 2012, when we left, we were helped enormously by our free-spirited Scn friends world-wide, (the list is long, but just a few: Marty, Mike, Claudio, Silvia, Dan, Jim, Steve, Debbie &#8230;)<br />
We now have approx 55 public, are bigger than we ever were and deliver the full Bridge, life repair to &#8220;Solo NOTs&#8221;. (Oops, I did it again, we have letters from the CoS lawyers forbidding us to use the name &#8216;Solo NOTs&#8217;).<br />
In my little corner or the world, participation, empowerment and fostering high KRC, works.<br />
Just this last week I was mostly off-lines, writing the article, and we had almost highest-ever. 32 public in auditing with our 4 auditors, 14 students in the Academy and 4 (yes, FOUR!) new starts.<br />
Getting new public to start is getting easy and fun again. They are happy to pay for genuine care and for the gains they are having with simple Standard Tech.<br />
I am glad we are talking and looking for better ways to do Scientology. At least we can recognize something went wrong, that Ron apparently erred somewhere. And we&#8217;re taking responsibility and working together to figure it out.<br />
I am proud to be a member of this group, I&#8217;m actually blown-out, having the time of my life.<br />
Thank you my friends for being such great friends.</p>
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