Cindy I’m glad you are out too.

Last note. It’s my opinion hubbard was somehow fascinated by Buddhismbut as well a “no case gain” Buddhist (unable of surrending) who tried then to create his own squirel path and even sell it. I’m being only half sarcastic this time.

Yes, you’re so right about how it’s just as possible and even more so, for intelligent people, high IQ and educated people do engage in thought stopping and do drink the Koolaid. I hope that they see the light and get out. Some people on the outside here have said, “All the thinking and questioning people have already left the building, and the only ones left will never leave.” I can see that too. But I hope they’re wrong and that some of these die hards do get out.

Yawn, I not only don’t have a good handle on what today’s Scientology goals really are, I don’t have a clue what they really are! All I can deduce is that Scientology has no real goals because there is no more Scientology, its all Command Intention, which in turn, is just another term for whatever David Miscavige happens to need or want done at any given time, for whatever reason.

What is Miscavige GETTING out of all of this? Money, of course, lots of it. Ok, money is great. Not from ME will you hear that money is not important.
It most certainly is.

But what can he really DO with it? He can’t really GO anywhere. Travelling freely is out. He can’t TRUST anyone. He can’t even really TALK to anyone except his tight inner circle and his lawyers and maybe Tom Cruise. His Celebs and Whales who give him serious millions – can he really be FRIENDS with them? I don’t see how! He is, after all, SCAMMING them. How can he RELAX and be himself with people he’s scamming?

Perhaps he can be himself with his lawyers but then he has to know that they’re only THERE because they’re getting well paid. Seriously, I wonder – I do, I really do WONDER – what are his actual PLEASURES in life?

Giving speeches at Int Events? Hanging with Lou? When he is on his deathbed for this body, what will he look back on with pleasure and satisfaction?

Ok, he’s a sociopath, so will he look back with satisfaction and a sense of accomplishment at all the times he successfully scammed people, disrupted/ruined their lives, etc. etc. ?

Because there are no more goals for Scientology, that much I know. There is only Command Intention, and Command Intention is whatever David Miscavige wants or needs at any given time.

But his overall life goals – what?

To simply destroy in the name of help? Surely he can’t believe that he is doing anything good!

Sorry for all these rhetorical questions!

LOL! Jettisoning everything that doesn’t work would leave NOTHING. I don’t think having nothing to sell would start any type of expansion.

Funny though

Well, I was a public, and I certainly revolted.

I agree with what you’re saying as far as staff and Sea Org but in my experience public were completely different. When it comes to public I don’t think you can make major alterations to LRH writings without having total revolt.

Right. I’ve been making an informal study of how people who are intelligent and discerning in their own lives simply believe without question the most fantastic woo. Virgin birth, dead for 3 days and then coming alive again, 5 thousand people all fed and satisfied with 5 loaves of bread and 5 fishes, water walking, a man parting the Red Sea so that people can walk across and stay dry, a man being swallowed up whole by a whale who holds him in his stomach for 3 days and then spits him out on dry land whole and unharmed; someone getting turned into a pillar of salt: snakes that talk and make dietary suggestions…look, I’m not picking on the Bible or on Christians or Jews. Most of the people I know are or were born and raised Christian (as was I) or Jewish, and they believe this stuff, or, if they don’t believe it, they get upset at being confronted with it. I never believed any biblical magic. Just never did. Doesn’t mean I don’t believe in God (or a higher power outside of our five senses) If I had been born and raised a Muslim or a Hindu there would be other magical woo to be steeped in from infancy. It doesn’t bother me that people believe outrageous, impossible things. Its the lack of questioning, the wholesale, unquestioning acceptance of the most incredible stuff, coupled with their ordinary, everyday common sense and intelligence that get applied to their everyday lives. There are things walled off in their minds which allow them to accept without question what the Bible says, or what Miscavige/Command Intention says, or what some politician says, or or or or…point being, it cannot be questioned, while at the same time they are quite careful about applying good analytical skills to the everyday events and issues of their own lives. Successful people with analytical blind spots. Its fascinating to me, that high iQ people are just as likely to engage in thought stopping as low IQ or poorly educated ones.

A good PR consultant with free reign to change the rules could even get a ridiculous cult like Scientology to be ‘cool’ again. For proof of that just look at how Osho managed to rehabilitate his reputation after the disaster in Rajneeshpuram. Couldn’t show his face for years but now my local bookstore has a whole section for him.

I would love to agree with you, Alcoboy, but from my own experiences I can’t. Back in the day I was amazed at the off-policy and out-tech that was totally accepted by the long term Class V org of my little org.

I showed them references by LRH widely with what they were doing. I showed them references of Hubbard’s that were in direct opposition to what they were doing. With careful politeness I showed them references in which LRH literally begs staff NOT to do what they were doing.. Nothing I showed them of LRH made any impact on any of them and let me reiterate that these were not untrained robokids, they were first generation, highly trained, long term staff.

No matter. I was told that my disagreements stemmed from MUs, crashing MUs, overts, witholds and eventually( it was strongly implied) evil purposes

Evil purposes! Moi! I wasn’t even reading the internet yet!

. I submitted to their handlings, word clearings, O/W write ups, etc. but inside I knew that they were crazily and stubbornly not confronting Hubbard’s written words which were countermanding everything they were doing, and that the problem was THEIR misunderstood words, overts and witholds, not mine.

It blew my mind. It shocked me so much that I completely shut up about it and made no fuss whatsoever about it. I pretended agreement; I outwardly cooperated without protest about their recommended handlings so that they would not know how shocked I was, how unexpected and out of character and shocking to me their denial of LRH’s policy was, and how deeply in doubt I had become about all of them.