Didn’t LRH state, that one of the traits of an anti-social and/or suppressive was…….

“Having a hidden terror of others…”

most of what I read so far (and also observed myself, over the years) was this “hidden terror”.

Anyway, food for thought, and my 2 cents.

You’re right.

“13 years of brainwashing is very difficult to unpack, and to shed from one’s psyche.”

You’re right. I was opining and sounding off solely from the viewpoint of the injustice of the mother sharing about having to walk on eggshells around her daughter in fear that she, the daughter, would, if she ever says the wrong words, go out of communication with her again.

I was reacting spontaneously to my feelings of anger at the injustice of that, for the mother’s sake. I wasn’t considering what the daughter herself was going thru -t hat the daughter had embarked on her own journey back to her mother, a journey, as you described it, fraught with danger and pain but with potential rewards very worthwhile and good. I wasn’t considering the daughter’s viewpoint at all when I wrote what I did.

So you’re correct to correct me. Kind of harshly – apparently what I wrote triggered your disgust and anger for whatever serious, valid reasons. Such was not my intention and for so doing I apologize.

In my own defense, this thoughtlessness I displayed with this comment a year and a half ago – this arrogance and thoughtlessness does not extend to the plight of veterans. As it so happens I know a good deal about what it means to lose people because of wars – lose them via physical death or just because their minds snapped and could no longer bear the pain of those experiences.

But my comment about the daughter was not thought out, it was wholly reactive and judgemental of her and unfairly and ignorantly so, and I’m sorry I said it, and I apologize for whatever pain and upset it caused you.

Aquamarine,

How fucking DARE you judge someone you do not know and make those kinds of assertions about how much the daughter cares or doesn’t and how she’s a brat. The unknowing, unfeeling arrogance of your statements is utterly astounding. I’m guessing you’ll walk past the mental health unit of the Veteran’s Administration and shout “JUST GET OVER IT, YOU PUSSIES!”, right?

That has been said to me.

13 years of brainwashing is very difficult to unpack, and to shed from one’s psyche. The daughter very likely has PTSD, and will be dealing with the fallout from this for the rest of her life, and while she MAY eventually get to a point where she can (not feels comfortable, but is ABLE to) iterate a thank you or give a definitive reason for her silence, then that answer a lot of questions and maybe the eggshells thing can stop.

Maybe she’ll never be able to talk about it. That’s OK. The daughter’s back, and Mom is doing what she can to aid the recovery. Sometimes just being there and being supportive without questioning, without judging, can make all the difference. Sometimes it won’t, but she has her child back. And that’s a start. The journey that they are embarking on is fraught with danger and pain, but the potential rewards are incomprehensibly good. I know. I’ve seen it. I’ve been there — in fact, it’s so special that I cannot share the experiences with anyone beyond those involved.

Get over yourself.

Yes, very simple! However I am wondering if they are part of the “Deep State” and that is the reason why they are still active.
I believe that their top management are just a bunch of ruthless crooks: everybody else is just a gullible, brainless victim!

Yes, Mom’s love “paid off” because the cult gave her a royal kick in the ass – or several – and daughter realized up close and personal that her Mother was right. And the mother is so fervently thankful for her daughter’s attention, so grateful that, after putting her thru 13 years of hell she’s talking to her again, that she’s “walking on eggshells” around her, still nervous and fearful that something, anything she might say that would be just a little bit wrong will send her daughter out of comm again. What’s wrong with this picture? Great and to her credit that the daughter finally contacted her Mother again after so many years. But its SHE, not her mother, who should be “walking on eggshells”. The daughter should be kissing the ground AND her mother’s feet that this lady is even giving her the time of day. No apology for putting her Mother thru freaking hell for 13 years? No explanation for why she never answered possibly hundreds of her mothers’ communications? No explanation – at all. And this mother is SO grateful, she daren’t ask for any. Wow. Just wow. What terrible, terrible, terrible things could this lady have EVER done to her daughter to make her deserve treatment like this? If I knew that girl and had her in front of me I’d be tempted to wring the cruel brat’s fucking neck. That said, I’m happy that this lady is happy. From my own viewpoint I hope this non-Scientologist who shared her happy ending disconnection story with has another daughter or a son, or some young person, related to her and close to her, who has normal human qualities, and actually cares about her.

Yes, truly, the “way to hell is paved with good intentions”. But then, so is the way to heaven! Its up to each of us how we operate in life. No excuses! We either choose self determined integrity to ourselves or we choose the way to the only real hell. But the good news is its never too late to turn off of the road to hell. Whoever doesn’t do it this lifetime can still have next lifetime. (I believe that we live again and again.)

I believe the “cancellation” of disconnection by Hubbard was a response to the 1968 Inquiry into Scn by New Zealand after the publication of the Anderson Report in Oz. This can be found in the green management dictionary under “Reform Code” That is likely the paragraph you remember.

Disconnection is a key part of how Hubbard implemented “The Brainwashing Manual” in CofS, getting rid of those disloyal to the state and depriving them of a voice so that they can’t convince others that they are correct.

Wow, thank you for sharing this with us, Queen B. I am so happy for you and your daughter. Your patience and love paid off. She came back. Does she still adhere to the philosophy of the religion? Or did she reject that too?

In some cases the children who were BORN into this…it’s the ONLY life they’ve ever known. Their parents had OTHER life experiences before “signing up” for COS…they’ve seen and/or experienced the other side of the coin.

For those born into the religion & raised to “Obey Without Question”….it’s the only life they’ve known. I had friends who got sucked into Hare Krishna, The Moonies”..”Children of God”…..a handful had children while in & the kids from birth were more or less removed from their care & brainwashed 24/7…..all too sad.

The children who turn their backs on their parents may or may not regret it someday….what will become of them is anyone’s guess. The y will pay and are paying the consequences of the life they’re living…it’s all too damned sad.

For YOU dearest friend, I am glad you & so many others are now living the good life….