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		By: Emily		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Mike,
I&#039;m listening to your podcast and I checked out the link on this blog page about elder abuse in California. My question for you and Leah Remini is what if your family member already died as a result of elder abuse? I tried to report my aunt and uncles to law enforcement because my grandmother died due to elder abuse and isolation in the state of California and they told me there wasn&#039;t anything they could do even though what my family did was clearly illegal and unconscionable such as creating a fence around her house so that family and friends can&#039;t come to visit her, monitoring all of her phone calls, and taking advantage of her thought processes by creating false memories because she had dementia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,<br />
I&#8217;m listening to your podcast and I checked out the link on this blog page about elder abuse in California. My question for you and Leah Remini is what if your family member already died as a result of elder abuse? I tried to report my aunt and uncles to law enforcement because my grandmother died due to elder abuse and isolation in the state of California and they told me there wasn&#8217;t anything they could do even though what my family did was clearly illegal and unconscionable such as creating a fence around her house so that family and friends can&#8217;t come to visit her, monitoring all of her phone calls, and taking advantage of her thought processes by creating false memories because she had dementia.</p>
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		By: Robert P. Offengabber		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert P. Offengabber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2024 00:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Before DM gives up and fades into oblivion, I would bet my life that he would try a number of new scams designed to bring in more money and will also try to transform the image of this scam into some kind of heroic charity.

For example, you can looks forward to new kinds of insurance policies being sold widespread. For example, remember how all those insurance plans were sold via telemarketing telling people that when they get older, they can sell their homes to some crooked org that will then &quot;guarantee&quot; they will be able to keep their homes while at the same time getting a huge cash payout and only when they die will their homes be sold?

I would look forward to seeing insurance plans people can buy for their parents or maybe grandparents or other older relatives that will &quot;guarantee&quot; they will receive a huge cash payout now and only if their relatives feel they are being held in isolation (like Shelly M), the insurance company (some Scamatology offshoot) will step in and bring legal  suits to &quot;free&quot; their relatives.

Of course, once the relatives are held in isolation, there will never be anything people can do to free them. There will never be any &quot;huge cash payout&quot; and their homes will be lost forever.

When it comes to scamming people who have any affiliation with this fake religion, there is nothing that will stop the little DM (Damn Miscreant).

Best defense? Never give a dime to these crooked bastards and if you ever hear of someone who is contemplating safeguarding their elder relatives safety and freedom, scream up a storm. Call the police and post the details on every message board you can. Especially this one!

You can never raise a stink on the social media platforms about these criminals. Start screaming and never stop!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before DM gives up and fades into oblivion, I would bet my life that he would try a number of new scams designed to bring in more money and will also try to transform the image of this scam into some kind of heroic charity.</p>
<p>For example, you can looks forward to new kinds of insurance policies being sold widespread. For example, remember how all those insurance plans were sold via telemarketing telling people that when they get older, they can sell their homes to some crooked org that will then &#8220;guarantee&#8221; they will be able to keep their homes while at the same time getting a huge cash payout and only when they die will their homes be sold?</p>
<p>I would look forward to seeing insurance plans people can buy for their parents or maybe grandparents or other older relatives that will &#8220;guarantee&#8221; they will receive a huge cash payout now and only if their relatives feel they are being held in isolation (like Shelly M), the insurance company (some Scamatology offshoot) will step in and bring legal  suits to &#8220;free&#8221; their relatives.</p>
<p>Of course, once the relatives are held in isolation, there will never be anything people can do to free them. There will never be any &#8220;huge cash payout&#8221; and their homes will be lost forever.</p>
<p>When it comes to scamming people who have any affiliation with this fake religion, there is nothing that will stop the little DM (Damn Miscreant).</p>
<p>Best defense? Never give a dime to these crooked bastards and if you ever hear of someone who is contemplating safeguarding their elder relatives safety and freedom, scream up a storm. Call the police and post the details on every message board you can. Especially this one!</p>
<p>You can never raise a stink on the social media platforms about these criminals. Start screaming and never stop!</p>
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		By: vegan3		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vegan3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2023 17:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538633&quot;&gt;Goldie&lt;/a&gt;.

this is the thread on liz&#039;s life/parents.  i&#039;ve been updating as i find more info.  her dad and olga divorced but pierre didn&#039;t say when.  he has now passed.  i know at least five people that can give her more info.  but they are getting up in age and won&#039;t be around forever. https://exscn2.net/threads/info-for-liz-ferris-on-her-parents.7737/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538633">Goldie</a>.</p>
<p>this is the thread on liz&#8217;s life/parents.  i&#8217;ve been updating as i find more info.  her dad and olga divorced but pierre didn&#8217;t say when.  he has now passed.  i know at least five people that can give her more info.  but they are getting up in age and won&#8217;t be around forever. <a href="https://exscn2.net/threads/info-for-liz-ferris-on-her-parents.7737/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://exscn2.net/threads/info-for-liz-ferris-on-her-parents.7737/</a></p>
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		By: Facism Crumbling		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much Mike and Leah for all your tireless work.  This heinous vile repugnant p$dop++hile hiding sex abuse mind control psychopath network must be annihilated.  I look forward to the day the feds bust into all their compounds and all members become SPs and can live their lives in peace and freedom.  I do not think DM will fare well in prison.  I would love to see some SP or Aftermath merchandise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much Mike and Leah for all your tireless work.  This heinous vile repugnant p$dop++hile hiding sex abuse mind control psychopath network must be annihilated.  I look forward to the day the feds bust into all their compounds and all members become SPs and can live their lives in peace and freedom.  I do not think DM will fare well in prison.  I would love to see some SP or Aftermath merchandise.</p>
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		By: Allie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m a mandatory reporter in NYC and work with a patient population with prevalent psychosocial issues. I’ve called both the NYPD for wellness checks and Adult Protective Services (APS) when I’ve had concerns about elder abuse/neglect. The NYPD have literally never done anything (and I mean literal in the literal way, not the Kardashian lingo way), whereas APS will make several attempts to visit people, contact their emergency conacts/next-of-kin, and apprise me (i.e., the referrer) of their findings. So refer to APS and hope that they accept the case, because when they accept a case they are very thorough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a mandatory reporter in NYC and work with a patient population with prevalent psychosocial issues. I’ve called both the NYPD for wellness checks and Adult Protective Services (APS) when I’ve had concerns about elder abuse/neglect. The NYPD have literally never done anything (and I mean literal in the literal way, not the Kardashian lingo way), whereas APS will make several attempts to visit people, contact their emergency conacts/next-of-kin, and apprise me (i.e., the referrer) of their findings. So refer to APS and hope that they accept the case, because when they accept a case they are very thorough.</p>
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		By: Dupe-lie-cated		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dupe-lie-cated]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2023 22:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-539041&quot;&gt;Linear13&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, they might need some help.  I can only imagine what kind of food and living conditions they are experiencing.  

I was told this is a kind of retirement community for elderly s.o. members.  

scn policy on out exchange, makes me wonder how they are being treated now that they cannot work due to age or illnesses.

I believe there are more people stuffed in overcrowded rooms.  This list is showing the registered voters in that building. If not registered, their names may not appear.

The elderly person that I knew is not on this list, even though that is their last known address, and they may in fact still reside there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-539041">Linear13</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, they might need some help.  I can only imagine what kind of food and living conditions they are experiencing.  </p>
<p>I was told this is a kind of retirement community for elderly s.o. members.  </p>
<p>scn policy on out exchange, makes me wonder how they are being treated now that they cannot work due to age or illnesses.</p>
<p>I believe there are more people stuffed in overcrowded rooms.  This list is showing the registered voters in that building. If not registered, their names may not appear.</p>
<p>The elderly person that I knew is not on this list, even though that is their last known address, and they may in fact still reside there.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2023 00:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538463&quot;&gt;Yawn&lt;/a&gt;.

Since as Mike said, the elderly SO members are seen as non producers, downstats and burdens, Davey should be happy to let people come get their elderly loved ones out.  But he is not.  Why is that?  Because they&#039;ve been in the SO a long time and they see things. They know where the bodies are buried and he can&#039;t have any of that get out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538463">Yawn</a>.</p>
<p>Since as Mike said, the elderly SO members are seen as non producers, downstats and burdens, Davey should be happy to let people come get their elderly loved ones out.  But he is not.  Why is that?  Because they&#8217;ve been in the SO a long time and they see things. They know where the bodies are buried and he can&#8217;t have any of that get out.</p>
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		By: Linear13		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linear13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2023 22:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538877&quot;&gt;Dupe-lie-cated&lt;/a&gt;.

My God are all those people listed as living there SO!  Over half are 50+ and many are 70+.  What kind of a life could an 70+ year old Sea Org member have?  These people need some kind of help.  What it is I don’t know.  I wish I did.  Like Mike has stated many of these oldsters would probably say they are happy there.  They HAVE to be separated from their minders to get them to tell the truth and even then it may take someone like Mike, someone they know and recognize, to explain that there is hope outside of Scientology SO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538877">Dupe-lie-cated</a>.</p>
<p>My God are all those people listed as living there SO!  Over half are 50+ and many are 70+.  What kind of a life could an 70+ year old Sea Org member have?  These people need some kind of help.  What it is I don’t know.  I wish I did.  Like Mike has stated many of these oldsters would probably say they are happy there.  They HAVE to be separated from their minders to get them to tell the truth and even then it may take someone like Mike, someone they know and recognize, to explain that there is hope outside of Scientology SO.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2023 21:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538537&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Mike!

Great comment and great to see you posting here!

And no we will never give up hope, and that statement should be taken definitively :)

With love,
Aqua]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538537">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Mike!</p>
<p>Great comment and great to see you posting here!</p>
<p>And no we will never give up hope, and that statement should be taken definitively 🙂</p>
<p>With love,<br />
Aqua</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2023 21:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538538&quot;&gt;unelectedfloofgoofer&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi unelected,

I hear you and agree per se with your advice to those whose lives were ruined by the cult.

However what you might not be factoring into your advice is the leverage the cult could be holding  on these ex-Scientologist.

I am not speaking for myself.   I was lucky in that I left with no loved ones or family who were still in.  Nor did my livelihood  in any way depend upon Scientology or Scientologists.  When I left, I only lost &quot;friends&quot; (hah).

That said I personally know 3 ex-Scientologists (one of whom is under the radar) whose lives were indeed ruined - finances decimated, relationships torn asunder, you name it, who yet still have loved ones very much in the cult.  These people don&#039;t openly protest or  demonstrate because they fear more disconnection or possibly that their children or family members will be punished if they act publicly against Scientology.

My point is that the apparent public silence of these exes should not be taken as agreeable acquiescence to the cult&#039;s having destroyed their lives.  Furious?     My guess is long ago they went beyond fury into a chronic, continual, fundamental and at the same time helpless rage. A rage that percolates well beneath the surface and yet, because they are good people,, they mostly hide it because they don&#039;t want it to boil over inappropriately.  

 My heart goes out to them  There&#039;s nothing worse than what they are suffering, for the sake of others who are Still In.  They&#039;re on this blog, they&#039;re on Tony&#039;s blog and elsewhere on the internet, and as I said there are 3 such people of my immediate and personal acquaintance who keep their heads down because they have already lost way too much and cannot stomach the idea of losing any more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/elderly-abuse-in-scientology-what-you-can-do/#comment-538538">unelectedfloofgoofer</a>.</p>
<p>Hi unelected,</p>
<p>I hear you and agree per se with your advice to those whose lives were ruined by the cult.</p>
<p>However what you might not be factoring into your advice is the leverage the cult could be holding  on these ex-Scientologist.</p>
<p>I am not speaking for myself.   I was lucky in that I left with no loved ones or family who were still in.  Nor did my livelihood  in any way depend upon Scientology or Scientologists.  When I left, I only lost &#8220;friends&#8221; (hah).</p>
<p>That said I personally know 3 ex-Scientologists (one of whom is under the radar) whose lives were indeed ruined &#8211; finances decimated, relationships torn asunder, you name it, who yet still have loved ones very much in the cult.  These people don&#8217;t openly protest or  demonstrate because they fear more disconnection or possibly that their children or family members will be punished if they act publicly against Scientology.</p>
<p>My point is that the apparent public silence of these exes should not be taken as agreeable acquiescence to the cult&#8217;s having destroyed their lives.  Furious?     My guess is long ago they went beyond fury into a chronic, continual, fundamental and at the same time helpless rage. A rage that percolates well beneath the surface and yet, because they are good people,, they mostly hide it because they don&#8217;t want it to boil over inappropriately.  </p>
<p> My heart goes out to them  There&#8217;s nothing worse than what they are suffering, for the sake of others who are Still In.  They&#8217;re on this blog, they&#8217;re on Tony&#8217;s blog and elsewhere on the internet, and as I said there are 3 such people of my immediate and personal acquaintance who keep their heads down because they have already lost way too much and cannot stomach the idea of losing any more.</p>
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