Like ALL the “Fair Game” podcasts, this story, its bold twists and turns, is ANOTHER full-on breaker of the heart. Unimaginable that these two parents had done nothing but quietly fade away from C of S, yet they had their life blasted full of holes. How is that “theta,” just, or even NECESSARY?

This story of courage and perseverance by Phil and Willie is very inspiring. Thank you, Phil, for stepping into the podcast booth to share with Leah and Mike. Your story and your work and influence are deeply valuable and appreciated.

Honestly, if I were still in, I would have this tale recounted to me, and I would have taken up the party line: “Oh, those parents are dramatizing.” The cleverness of the C of S labyrinth. It is as if LRH thought through about 270 degrees of the circle. When you are in, you keep getting plugged into one of those 270 or so possibilities of explaining the most terrible behaviors and practices in the group. Those of us who come out, by some good fortune, when our Scientology Thought Roulette Wheel spun one day, it stopped at (instead) one of the 90 other Thought Spots available, one of the SANE SPOTS. We saw our way out.

It is a miracle of not small magnitude because the justifications for all the weird behavior is built right into the machinery. Sea Org and staff members conversationally tell you the most outrageous viewpoints but they state them with so much certainty, plus they are in a uniform, as a public, you tend to lap it up and nod your head yes. Of course, they have also drilled and drilled INTENTION and so they PENETRATE.

Phil, best to you and Willie and your family. Any person would love to have you as a friend, colleague, family member or dad, Dude!

But it’s easier to live with yourself when you do fight back. And We will win this fight in the end. Trusting your kids see the light and escape sooner rather than later.

Living dead have thetans unable to care about near and dear.

Bill laughing loud. That’s exactly the evidence needed. Listen this one:
Years ago when my small grandaughter was born the father was quite unexistent so I took charge of the place. Later on someone from the SO wanted me back on lines to help rising money for some usual crazy project. I told them to be not interested and that now I had other priorities – the child. Of course the SO staff decided to handle my origination and told me “I don’t get how come you are so fixated with this GE – genetic entity – stuff”.
I told her to get lost (but in Italian is way more colorful).

Well, there is a Captain SO who has NO second dynamic. He’s saying he is less than 7/8ths alive.
I never bought the concept that scientology (a third dynamic activity) was all eight dynamics to them. Maybe they collapsed all of their dynamics into scientology. yikes!

i got hammered whenever i would tell them that weekends were my fun dynamics time. Movies, diners, parties m’ycle rides, camping, sexinging, and family time.

It seems to be OK to deprive the kids if You are a ‘religion’ rather than a soverign individual. And then probably only because they know they can.

It’s not so hard, it pains me to say. Speaking from experience. Not when you perceive someone as an infinite being with cosmically evil intent.

But you can’t erase real love and fond memories, no matter how selective you have to be when (continually) justifying the decision to sever ties. There’s a frustration in that. A dissonance. An admission of something that you can’t switch off. A reminder you’re still human and not spock an all powerful god. A self-loathing. You can dissassociate from it. You can suppress it. Scientology can help with that. But it’s always there.

When the cost of adherence outweighs the benefits (à la rational choice theory) the veil will begin to lift. And all that hate/disgust/apathy you repeatedly manifested in order to keep making yourself right, will shift into an unimaginable shame that will haunt you to your dying day.

Or, as the only Right Arm Captain in the Sea Org screamed at the top of his lungs at my wife and myself ” I don’t give a FUCK about family”.