it’s not course schedules that is the salient point.

It’s the concept that every single scio studies 2.5 per day, that it is per a policy, and is enforced.

Anyone who has been staff in a class V org will tell you this is not true .

It’s not even possible, because it all costs money. Every Scio on service every day in all orgs?

Never put much stock in these sort of demonstrations myself. I dont think they are effective.

We have enough people that would make an impact. Mike and Leah could help get publicity and then speak at the crusade.

That 2.5 hours of study is true. You are totally wrong Rip VW.
Some people are just better at saying NO.

@DaveFagen Yes, Yes, Yes. This explains the super firm yet simultaneously vague experiences I had concerning COURSE SCHEDULE. I did sometimes observe an otherwise kind, earnest course supervisor, who was glad you were in the building and enjoying study, turn “drastic” on this topic of schedule because—exactly as you say—they were getting “commanded” harshly by their seniors to stop letting students set their own schedule.

Err…. Foster and support people’s #OwnDeterminism much?

I guess not. (insert sad face here)

#CognitiveDissonance

Thanks Rip. Nice little ex-Course Supervisor therapy session we had here.

(this was in reply to Dave Fagen)

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but I love all you as well.

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I fully agree. I never KRed my offspring or forced them upon course or auditing or even staying in ABLE approved school, but I ran BS Scio Nonsense harmful crap 24/7. It was who I was. regardless of alllll the nice things about me.

You said all the things I know and experienced but didn’t want to piss around talking about, I just wanted to ask about this thing that’s been bugging me!

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Remember when there were those phases of

“If you are on a scholarship you have to maintain a standard schedule”

or,

“that’s true, IF the org has TWO fully standard course rooms, one for standard schedule, one for non=standard”?

AND

when GAT One came out there was a HUGE push to get in “full schedule only”.

The problem is, in real life, it’s as you say, and capitulation wins.

and…

MIKE is RIGHT.. as is LEAH

there is totally policy on course schedules, as well as “Courses their Ideal Scene” “What is a Course”, “Student’s Guide to Acceptable Behavior, “What We Expect of a Scientologist”, “Code of a Scientolgist” “KSW”

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But take it from someone who has TABLE clay demoed, sec checked, and M f*ckin 9ed a whole lotta shit……..

I’ve never ran into a POLICY or HCOB

that gave me the power to order every Scio to 2.5 hours a week.

Cuz…………..

I WOULD HAVE USED IT AND ORDERED THEM INNNNNNNNNNN

Mike,

I don’t necessarily think you should make a point of what I have to say on your post, that depends on how relevant you think it is, but I’ll add my 2 cents, as a former course supervisor in a Class V Org.

The Course Schedule policy says that a student can study 5 weekdays of about 8 hours a day, or every weeknight for about 2.5 hours a day, or 2 weekend days of about 8 hours a day.

And it says to set up a second courseroom called the “special schedule courseroom” in its own separate room with its own separate supervisor. That’s supposed to be the courseroom for students who can’t do a standard schedule. They are supposed to pay more for those courses and the courses will take longer.

But the loophole is that it also says that if an org doesn’t set up a separate courseroom for special schedules, then it can’t do this thing of charging extra fee for students who can’t do the standard schedule.

The policy called Course Schedules is the only attempt made to lay down a set policy of how to deal with course schedules of students. Before this policy came out, there was no policy on it. So when a student would say that he could only do a few days a week, or one full day a week, or whatever, the Course Supervisor had no way to show them a policy that definitely said that a student could not do a course unless he did such-and-such a schedule.

Then when the Course Schedules policy came out (sometime in the early 90’s), it still didn’t usually do any good in enforcing a certain type of schedule that students had to do, because (as far as I know) very few of the orgs (definitely not my org) made it happen to set up the separate courseroom for the “special schedules”.

So the chaos and confusion about course schedules still remained after the Course Schedules policy came out. In my experience, most students who wanted to do a course would say that they could not do the standard schedule. And it was a problem because there was no definite policy to enforce a certain schedule. But whenever a supervisor would let a student do whatever schedule he wanted, he would face trouble with some seniors for being “reasonable” or “not tough enough” (a “kindly old fumbler”). The Supervisor was expected to be relentless about schedules so that the students would just go, “Oh, I better do what he says, he’s just too tough for me” and do whatever schedule was considered to be “standard”.

But usually, not just in my org, but I think in most, students would do whatever schedule they could, and pretty often the course supervisors and their seniors would get tired of constantly trying to fight a lost cause.

And most of the org’s field at any given time was not going to course at all, but they still considered themselves to be Scientologists and the org really couldn’t do anything to force them to be taking courses, we just had to do things to get as many people on course as possible.

So if Leah’s experience is that she and everyone else she knew was absolutely required to study two and a half hours a day, and if she thinks that this is enforced on all Scientologists, it might be because she is only speaking from her own experience and maybe she doesn’t know what it was like in other orgs than where she did her Scientology, and is assuming that it is done the same way everywhere.