I think that there have been a lot of arrogant negative statements made on the blog today about the beliefs and viewpoints of others with great, oh, such GREAT certainty by people who who have relatively little personal experience with the subject. They kind of remind me of many of the current spokesholes who Mike has been exposing who are currently representing the COS.

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That’s easily understood.
But you critique your own statements with your own ‘rationale’ and expect me to follow just because it makes sense to you. Some of your rationale supposes and takes for granted you speak for ‘a’ greater majority – I stand by my own experience and don’t profess to speak for others. I’m more answerable to you to prove anything than I am to my neighbour next door.
We are both allowed to have opinions and experience but please don’t throw generalities at me, you’ll always get a negative response and very soon no response at all.
The granting of beingness doesn’t need any further explanation in my opinion.

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what prompted my initial comment was you saying “i don’t know why people say the tech doesn’t work………”.

i gave you a rational for why people say it doesn’t work. what it takes to make people say it does work. why it takes that and why what is offered as proof is rejected by those “people who say the tech doesn’t work”.

if you really want to know why people say that, you need only to re-read my comments and seek to understand them as they are meant and not what you can choose them to mean.

you can believe what you want, your wins are your own, you have no reason to be offended by anything i said.

i did not offend you or anyone else. my comments speak for themselves.

Excellent point WhiteStar. Very good point.

But you must understand, Scientologists are trained in very regimented and controlled ways to never look at the “tech” with a critical eye.

By L Ron Hubbard’s own laws, invalidating or being constructively critical of the tech is an ethics offense punishable by loosing family, friends and spiritual future.

This control assures that the person looses touch with their own innate powers of discrimination and differentiation.

You will agree with me, tow the line, know that I am the only one true world savior, it’s your evil if you are critical or I will ruin your life.

This is the legacy of L Ron Hubbard.

DM has to remain scarce nowadays because of the risk of being arrested and held by the FBI on fraud charges related to the IAS and other funds he has been controlling, which money is not much to do with expansion or the other stated purposes but rather more to do with diverting the bulk of those funds to the day-to-day running of the Church (and building up a large reserve for himself when the inevitable happens). I guess he has a comfortable bolt-hole ready waiting for him in Columbia and an arrangement with the military government there that he does not get extradited back to the US — but he has to get there first when the shit finally hits the fan.

Any day now, the whales that have seen through the lie of expansion and have worked out that the only way the Church is being kept financially afloat is through their IAS and other donations being redirected for that purpose then a few of them will finally get around to making a criminal complaint, rather than themselves try to take it to court and have to wait a few years. When enough of them have done that, the raids will happen and DM will be held and unable to make his getaway. So yes, he needs to remain scarce. And when he does appear, they need to check everyone, not because they might be critics, but rather because they might be FBI agents there for the purpose of publically arresting him in front of the adoring worshippers.

We think that Flag needs Delusion to handle the staggering “Statcrash in the Cathedral.”

Harvey Jacques is just not cutting it; he would be better off making furniture or mopping floors.

White Star, I agree with you. There is fraud and Scientologists find it hard to come to grips with it.

On the other hand I Yawn A Lot is making the point that it was not all fraud. The very act of going within to look, look at anything can and is theraputic.
Scientologists are learning truths.

So understand, I Yawn A Lot has had great changes and gain made.

So to say all of it is fraud does not consider reality. Nothing is absolute.

But the fact that people were having gains in Scientology is like the cheese and the fraud you are talking about is the mouse trap.

That’s what makes Scientology so diabolical. You start with a $50 course that helps in communication and you end up trying to rid your body of aliens and believing in Ron as Buddha or Lucifer or Beast 666 or Prince of Darkness.

Scientology, to a Scientologist is an admixture of truths and lies. The lies are sold as truth and when in the bubble, differentiating the lies from the truth gets you declared and loose family, jobs and friends.

It takes years to peel off the layers of falsehoods, betrayal of trust, wrong knowledge and to see LRH as he is not who you think he is, nor who he sold himself to be.

He was not just a man. He was worse than any man I have ever known. To not know by this time that he was not who he said he was is sad, very sad. IMO

He was expert at deception. The lies brought him power and control.

“If you want to control people, lie to them” L Ron Hubbard

Now why on earth would a man want to teach us that?

Why would he even care to share this evil garbage?