Mike, I’ve done the Leaving the Body Assist or Dropping the Body Assist, whatever they called it. The circling of a planet is done AFTER they drop the body and only if they find themselves up in the air and can’t get back down or are having trouble getting back down. Then it says they are to circle a planet or some object in space until such time as they can get back down to earth.

Thanks to you all for your nice comments. I only did what I thought was right. I consider that as a parent, it is my duty to be my kids’ advocate and to teach and protect them from unscrupulous people. Unfortunately, I had to go through a similar experience with another one of my kids a few years later with Sea Org recruitment and that one was 14 at the time. This can put a person and family through Hell.

The S.O.recruiters are ruthless, heartless people in my book. They really care nothing for the individual. They steal away the lives of young, impressionable people. The kids are just stats, and new meat into the SO. I don’t care how they justify it, with talk of ‘past lives’ and ‘Loyal Officers’. One recruiter told one of my kids that she was a “past lifer in the SO”. How would HE know that? My kid just looked at him like WTF? She knew better than to fall for that sort of weird false flattery/lie.

I really want any public parents in Scientology to know that they can stand up to the recruiters and they should. They should not allow their kids to be manipulated and lied to. What does this teach kids? They should not allow adults outside the family to have private, unlimited access to their children and that definitely includes Sea Org recruiters.

Greta,

I hear you. But then it is NOT an “OT exterior process.” A thetan doesn’t exhaust anything, except perhaps his willingness to keep going.

It cannot be both, and that is the only point I am making. If you promote this as an “OT exterior objective process from the whole track” then its inconsistent with running to exhaustion. Somehow they manage to conflate the two things and I am simplyt pointing out that this is inconsistent.

I don’t care one way or the other as there isn’t a chance in the world I will ever do any form of “Running Program” ever again.

As for the C/S, I don’t know. I know it was the LRH C/S delivered to Yvonne just before she passed away and that’s all I know.

Matt,
As you may well remember, a ‘nice’ trait of a real SP is to ‘clean cleans’.
Drove me crazy!
Greta

Mike,
I know this LRH last “C/S” was applied last year to someone in the Indie field who decided to drop the body. Do you have a source reference that you could mention?

The idea of using golf carts to drive around the track with the pole in the middle, as well as any idea of ‘moving contraptions’ around the pole certainly arises from a viewpoint in the comfort zone but would defeat the purpose of the CRRD utterly. YOU RUN TO FULL EXHAUSTION! You give it your all and it IS exhilarating = that’s the ‘Runner’s High’. I am just thinking of the analogy of a battery that gets fully drained and then recharged and then drained and so on.
You can’t do that while sitting in a golf cart or ‘getting carried around’.

People with older bodies or some sort of handicap would simply walk longer and build the body up to get up to speed. A speed they CAN do.
Some people may not get C/S ok to do it.
Greta

There is a lot of yip yapping here about a very simple concept that most people grasped straight away but because they – the yip yappers- now realize that they were a little hasty with their barbed remarks about LRH must continue to bluster and make out they know something about high level physics, but what we are talking about is 3rd grade physics. I would say look up the word “relative” and it has nothing to do in this case with “relativity” – my my, the power of the misunderstood word!

Great idea Pepper. It could be like one of those moving sidewalks in airports. You could just stand there, leaning on the rail, going round in circles.

Pepper, in my book, you are Mother of the Decade! Good for you for throwing their shit right back in their faces! You’re one tough cookie and I admire you very much. These recruiters are ruthless. It’s ALL ABOUT THEIR SIGN UP STATS! They’re criminals of the first degree! Please tell your son from me that he’s so very lucky to have you as his mom.

I think I may have just answered my own question. Flag is scared of having someone drop dead on the premises. They also don’t want someone to claim bodily injury resulting from a service. So I’m guessing the idea to service the not-so-physically fit or the elderly is pretty much moot.

Mike and All,

Okay, regarding a thetan revolving around planets and stars in space (which are not motionless objects), I’m thinking that ‘relative’ or ‘relative to you’ is the key here. So although an object may not actually be still, YOU the thetan are deeming it so, therefore it is. LRH said that when a thetan says something is so, it is because “He’s Boss”. Another way of looking at ‘relative’ is simply a thetan’s point of view from his own point in space out to another point in space.

Does this concept apply? If so, then yes, it’s very simple. I’m not claiming to be a science expert or even very intelligent for that matter, but this is how I can break it down to its most simplest terms.

If I am correct, then I would like to make a suggestion to help the senior public population in Scientology, since that is what the demographic is rapidly approaching. Build another CRRD in that huge empty “Cathedral” and instead of a running track, install a moving circular walkway, so the elderly folks can partake in the action too. Why be ageist? Also the people who’ve had knee and hip replacements could also do the CRRD. Even someone in a wheelchair could be pushed around it on a moving walkway, or they could roll themselves.

My point here is that if this is such a great RD and I’m hearing wins from people who’ve done it, why not make it available to All and not deny those who are physically unfit to run around a track? Why was this not taken into consideration? You do need a *body* after all to do the CRRD, and some bodies simply aren’t able.