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	Comments on: Flag &#8220;OT&#8221; Committee Minutes Sept 2019	</title>
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	<description>Something Can Be Done About It</description>
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		By: Michieux		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-303978</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michieux]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302388&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

I have thought for a long time that money and/or threats of exposure of legal wrong-doing, or both, are the probable explanations for why certain past members maintain their silence once they have exited the scam.

It&#039;s a real pity, because they could do a lot of good for present and potential recruits who are already, or risk becoming, ensnared by the tentacles of this shabby, money-grubbing organization. Two shining examples of what I&#039;m alluding to are the proprietor of this site, and of course the ever amazing and wonderful Leah Remini.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302388">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>I have thought for a long time that money and/or threats of exposure of legal wrong-doing, or both, are the probable explanations for why certain past members maintain their silence once they have exited the scam.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a real pity, because they could do a lot of good for present and potential recruits who are already, or risk becoming, ensnared by the tentacles of this shabby, money-grubbing organization. Two shining examples of what I&#8217;m alluding to are the proprietor of this site, and of course the ever amazing and wonderful Leah Remini.</p>
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		By: Francis Khoury		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302661</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis Khoury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2019 18:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302418&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Gracias, Mark!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302418">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Gracias, Mark!</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302654</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeaceMaker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2019 18:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302388&quot;&gt;Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Wynski, Broeker seems to have lived a sort of itinerant and minimal life for decades, remaining silent for whatever his reasons were, while being tracked by CofS PIs.  If he really cared to speak out, he could have moved to a country where it would be safe to do so, like Gerry Armstrong did.

However, the apparent end of surveillance of Broeker suggests Miscavige no longer saw him as a threat.  Broker is older and at the point of looking at retiring, so I think it&#039;s quite possible that he did finally cut a deal with the CofS to guarantee his continued silence.  What&#039;s known of his life and work over the previous decades doesn&#039;t suggest he has been paid off all along, however.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302388">Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Wynski, Broeker seems to have lived a sort of itinerant and minimal life for decades, remaining silent for whatever his reasons were, while being tracked by CofS PIs.  If he really cared to speak out, he could have moved to a country where it would be safe to do so, like Gerry Armstrong did.</p>
<p>However, the apparent end of surveillance of Broeker suggests Miscavige no longer saw him as a threat.  Broker is older and at the point of looking at retiring, so I think it&#8217;s quite possible that he did finally cut a deal with the CofS to guarantee his continued silence.  What&#8217;s known of his life and work over the previous decades doesn&#8217;t suggest he has been paid off all along, however.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 22:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302437&quot;&gt;Mike Rinder&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for that explanation, Mike.  It makes sense that they were sort of blackmailing him to keep him in line.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302437">Mike Rinder</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for that explanation, Mike.  It makes sense that they were sort of blackmailing him to keep him in line.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302459</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 21:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302101&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I think that&#039;s the sort of thing causing members to move away from Clearwater, as we hear from time to time.&quot;

I definitely agree and wish I could give you specific details showing why.

Members moving far, and I do mean FAR away; I know 2 supposedly still in families who moved FAR out of the cult&#039;s reach.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302101">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think that&#8217;s the sort of thing causing members to move away from Clearwater, as we hear from time to time.&#8221;</p>
<p>I definitely agree and wish I could give you specific details showing why.</p>
<p>Members moving far, and I do mean FAR away; I know 2 supposedly still in families who moved FAR out of the cult&#8217;s reach.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302458</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aquamarine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 21:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302028&quot;&gt;Cindy&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG, I am so glad I&#039;m no longer in!  I&#039;d go ballistic on a team of people showing up on my doorstep uninvited.  Even when I was in I wouldn&#039;t have tolerated this, and as for now, fuhgettaboutit!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302028">Cindy</a>.</p>
<p>OMG, I am so glad I&#8217;m no longer in!  I&#8217;d go ballistic on a team of people showing up on my doorstep uninvited.  Even when I was in I wouldn&#8217;t have tolerated this, and as for now, fuhgettaboutit!</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302445</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 20:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302429&quot;&gt;Jane Doe 2&lt;/a&gt;.

My bad Jane.  Debbie&#039;s case was interesting because the CoS when suing her opened themselves up for discovery.  They then settled to avoid that.  Mike has a write up on it on this blog if you use the search function.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302429">Jane Doe 2</a>.</p>
<p>My bad Jane.  Debbie&#8217;s case was interesting because the CoS when suing her opened themselves up for discovery.  They then settled to avoid that.  Mike has a write up on it on this blog if you use the search function.</p>
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		By: Wynski		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302443</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wynski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 20:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302429&quot;&gt;Jane Doe 2&lt;/a&gt;.

Jane Doe 2.  An NDA has to have a quid pro quo, can&#039;t be made under duress, must be allowed to consult own atty,.  All those points made Debbie&#039;s 1st agreements null with the CoS null]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302429">Jane Doe 2</a>.</p>
<p>Jane Doe 2.  An NDA has to have a quid pro quo, can&#8217;t be made under duress, must be allowed to consult own atty,.  All those points made Debbie&#8217;s 1st agreements null with the CoS null</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302437</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Rinder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 19:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302429&quot;&gt;Jane Doe 2&lt;/a&gt;.

He had a lot of &quot;financial irregularities&quot; concerning the cash that was given to him in briefcases when he was the go-between for Hubbard and Miscavige. 

This threat has been held over his head since he was told the potential consequences by criminal tax lawyer Jerry Feffer (Monique Yingling&#039;s former husband who is now deceased).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302429">Jane Doe 2</a>.</p>
<p>He had a lot of &#8220;financial irregularities&#8221; concerning the cash that was given to him in briefcases when he was the go-between for Hubbard and Miscavige. </p>
<p>This threat has been held over his head since he was told the potential consequences by criminal tax lawyer Jerry Feffer (Monique Yingling&#8217;s former husband who is now deceased).</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302430</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cindy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 19:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302259&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Not only not cause over their First Dynamic, but I read the stats on number of OT VII and OT VIII&#039;s who were dying.  Far more dying than in the regular population at large.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee-minutes-sept-2019/#comment-302259">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Not only not cause over their First Dynamic, but I read the stats on number of OT VII and OT VIII&#8217;s who were dying.  Far more dying than in the regular population at large.</p>
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