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		By: Rick Mycroft		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Mycroft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 13:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57258&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

Is there any current major crisis at INCOMM? I&#039;m just wondering because they&#039;re letting stuff slide in a way that I haven&#039;t seen since the ALL HANDS effort to remove references to Marty Rathbun (and Warren McShane) from all their websites in September 2005, while letting everything else hit the fan.

Either it&#039;s Yet Another Crisis By Dave, or attrition has finally thinned the ranks to the point that they can&#039;t keep all the plates spinning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57258">Bruce Ploetz</a>.</p>
<p>Is there any current major crisis at INCOMM? I&#8217;m just wondering because they&#8217;re letting stuff slide in a way that I haven&#8217;t seen since the ALL HANDS effort to remove references to Marty Rathbun (and Warren McShane) from all their websites in September 2005, while letting everything else hit the fan.</p>
<p>Either it&#8217;s Yet Another Crisis By Dave, or attrition has finally thinned the ranks to the point that they can&#8217;t keep all the plates spinning.</p>
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		By: Out4Long		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57365</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57322&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Foolproof, it doesn&#039;t matter.  If scn had EVER produced a singe OT (as defined &#038; promised by LRH) OR, produced a SINGLE L12 comp with the abilities LRH said were there to be had (and were always gained when HE was in charge on the Apollo) on that level, you would not be able to stop the stampede of wealthy people willing to pay countless MILLIONS for even just the L12. 

Regging would be unneeded.  Think about it, REALLY think about it. 

ALL the really big promises made by the Boss were part of his scam.  As Mike posted a few days ago about the scammed not being willing to acknowledged having been scammed...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57322">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Foolproof, it doesn&#8217;t matter.  If scn had EVER produced a singe OT (as defined &amp; promised by LRH) OR, produced a SINGLE L12 comp with the abilities LRH said were there to be had (and were always gained when HE was in charge on the Apollo) on that level, you would not be able to stop the stampede of wealthy people willing to pay countless MILLIONS for even just the L12. </p>
<p>Regging would be unneeded.  Think about it, REALLY think about it. </p>
<p>ALL the really big promises made by the Boss were part of his scam.  As Mike posted a few days ago about the scammed not being willing to acknowledged having been scammed&#8230;</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57363</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57322&quot;&gt;Foolproof&lt;/a&gt;.

Foolproof, thank you, because you&#039;ve given me insight I didn&#039;t have into Mismanage&#039;s mindset, i.e., the mindset of an SP who intends to destroy Scientology while at the same time profiting from it hugely.  This makes sense when I look from HIS SP valence/viewpoint.

That said, periodically, when I contemplate the viewpoints of the various staff and public sheeple doing his bidding with regard to the Ideal Morgue Program, periodically,  my mind keeps getting blown,  re-blown and blown again, because some of these people are well known to me as audited and trained in tech, admin and ethics FAR above my own levels of same. 

You see, I know that these people know what I do,  and MORE than I do,  AND have DECADES of staff experience in applying what they know, so these peoples&#039; NOT seeing what I plainly saw, back in the day, (simply out of reading policies, looking around at the emptiness of my then org,  and applying common sense) is a kind of on-going out-reality for me. I just can&#039;t seem to get my mind around them not seeing what is so plain. So, in addition to it being on those highlighted here on this blog by Mike and his MMs, my Crashing MU is on the decades-long highly trained staff I knew, those Class V staff still-in, highly trained in auditing tech, highly trained in admin, and well trained in ethics tech,some of whom trained ME back in the day,  NOT seeing what I see.  To make sense of it I find myself continually dubbing in reasons why or grabbing at any reasons I read.  I&#039;m just so answer-hungry on this!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57322">Foolproof</a>.</p>
<p>Foolproof, thank you, because you&#8217;ve given me insight I didn&#8217;t have into Mismanage&#8217;s mindset, i.e., the mindset of an SP who intends to destroy Scientology while at the same time profiting from it hugely.  This makes sense when I look from HIS SP valence/viewpoint.</p>
<p>That said, periodically, when I contemplate the viewpoints of the various staff and public sheeple doing his bidding with regard to the Ideal Morgue Program, periodically,  my mind keeps getting blown,  re-blown and blown again, because some of these people are well known to me as audited and trained in tech, admin and ethics FAR above my own levels of same. </p>
<p>You see, I know that these people know what I do,  and MORE than I do,  AND have DECADES of staff experience in applying what they know, so these peoples&#8217; NOT seeing what I plainly saw, back in the day, (simply out of reading policies, looking around at the emptiness of my then org,  and applying common sense) is a kind of on-going out-reality for me. I just can&#8217;t seem to get my mind around them not seeing what is so plain. So, in addition to it being on those highlighted here on this blog by Mike and his MMs, my Crashing MU is on the decades-long highly trained staff I knew, those Class V staff still-in, highly trained in auditing tech, highly trained in admin, and well trained in ethics tech,some of whom trained ME back in the day,  NOT seeing what I see.  To make sense of it I find myself continually dubbing in reasons why or grabbing at any reasons I read.  I&#8217;m just so answer-hungry on this!</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57358</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 17:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57329&quot;&gt;Hallie Jane&lt;/a&gt;.

Agreed, Hallie Jane.  What is not communicated speaks loudly.  Lots of omitteds in these minutes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57329">Hallie Jane</a>.</p>
<p>Agreed, Hallie Jane.  What is not communicated speaks loudly.  Lots of omitteds in these minutes.</p>
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		By: Carcha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 13:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57314&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes. And less idea what Scientology is and represents. Vinaire posted a few days ago that the collective reactive mind appears to be winning. It&#039;s an interesting set of phenomena. You offer a man in the desert a glass of water, he shoots you and spills the water, then claims he didn&#039;t do it. Sounds too weird to be true, but read the stories about some Africans who attack medical personnel, and you see it in real life. The social veneer of life makes it seem mild (LRH said that, or something close to it). 

Winning isn&#039;t so much a question of fighting as it is not falling for the distractions and aberrations, and just staying with the simple truth. Sometimes, plain vanilla is best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57314">Ron</a>.</p>
<p>Yes. And less idea what Scientology is and represents. Vinaire posted a few days ago that the collective reactive mind appears to be winning. It&#8217;s an interesting set of phenomena. You offer a man in the desert a glass of water, he shoots you and spills the water, then claims he didn&#8217;t do it. Sounds too weird to be true, but read the stories about some Africans who attack medical personnel, and you see it in real life. The social veneer of life makes it seem mild (LRH said that, or something close to it). </p>
<p>Winning isn&#8217;t so much a question of fighting as it is not falling for the distractions and aberrations, and just staying with the simple truth. Sometimes, plain vanilla is best.</p>
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		By: DollarMorgue		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57331</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 12:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57318&quot;&gt;Carcha&lt;/a&gt;.

You got yourself a job on the planning committee!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57318">Carcha</a>.</p>
<p>You got yourself a job on the planning committee!</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57329</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57296&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the minutes are all interesting because they are so deluded, that they couldn&#039;t omit spitting out outpoints if they tried.  That is the data.  Even the efforts to hide and obfuscate are telling and btw, a failure, because the blindness prevents true observation and sane reasoning.  We see them for what they are, weak, confused and completely off purpose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57296">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>I think the minutes are all interesting because they are so deluded, that they couldn&#8217;t omit spitting out outpoints if they tried.  That is the data.  Even the efforts to hide and obfuscate are telling and btw, a failure, because the blindness prevents true observation and sane reasoning.  We see them for what they are, weak, confused and completely off purpose.</p>
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		By: Hallie Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hallie Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57310&quot;&gt;Gus Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

I think that was so the otc committee could up THEIR status.  Oi vey!  As a group they have to go up the statuses as well as personally.  Pitiful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes-and-new-program/#comment-57310">Gus Cox</a>.</p>
<p>I think that was so the otc committee could up THEIR status.  Oi vey!  As a group they have to go up the statuses as well as personally.  Pitiful.</p>
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		By: Espiritu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Espiritu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 06:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Howard Becker and Kathy Feshbach completed the PTS/SP Course? This is the latest “redo” course for everyone to get on I guess? Wonder how many times they have done the course now?
I wonder if they spotted ANY antisocial personalities while carefully studying their materials?&quot;

Here&#039;s the answer.....Unwritten quote from the Gatt II PTS/SP Course: 
&quot;Der R certain SPs who von is NOT EVER to observe! Dey R to remain completely INVISIBLE FOREVER!&quot;.

So, it is now guaranteed that the course will have to be redone.......&quot;FOREVER!&quot;

Of course once one kicks the cool-aid habit, it is very easy to see those SPs. 
They are oh, so obviously right there in plain sight when one just looks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Howard Becker and Kathy Feshbach completed the PTS/SP Course? This is the latest “redo” course for everyone to get on I guess? Wonder how many times they have done the course now?<br />
I wonder if they spotted ANY antisocial personalities while carefully studying their materials?&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the answer&#8230;..Unwritten quote from the Gatt II PTS/SP Course:<br />
&#8220;Der R certain SPs who von is NOT EVER to observe! Dey R to remain completely INVISIBLE FOREVER!&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, it is now guaranteed that the course will have to be redone&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;FOREVER!&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course once one kicks the cool-aid habit, it is very easy to see those SPs.<br />
They are oh, so obviously right there in plain sight when one just looks.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Way to Happiness Seminar pilot?&quot; At only $125? I&#039;ll be right back with a chequebook - don&#039;t wander off...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Way to Happiness Seminar pilot?&#8221; At only $125? I&#8217;ll be right back with a chequebook &#8211; don&#8217;t wander off&#8230;</p>
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