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		By: Japan of Green Gables		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523844</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523622&quot;&gt;Guy Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, but Mike and other former Scientologists DO use their energy to help a cause and do good in the world. He&#039;s very active with the Aftermath Foundation.

The Aftermath Foundation exists to help those who want to leave Scientology and the Sea Organization,
but lack a system of support they can rely on while getting on their feet in the outside world.

Former Sea Org members tend to be industrious workers but many have no employment history nor family outside of Scientology. Further, many have no formal education, bank account, driver’s license or credit history.

The challenges one encounters when leaving Scientology and the Sea Org are many. The Aftermath Foundation is devoted to providing resources, support, and advocacy to those who leave so they can gain their independence and make their way in the world.

It is a very honorable cause! If you or anyone you know is looking to leave Scientology or the Sea Org, and are not sure what to do, the Aftermath Foundation is there to help. You can learn more at https://theaftermathfoundation.org 

Take care Guy! Hope you&#039;re having a wonderful day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523622">Guy Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, but Mike and other former Scientologists DO use their energy to help a cause and do good in the world. He&#8217;s very active with the Aftermath Foundation.</p>
<p>The Aftermath Foundation exists to help those who want to leave Scientology and the Sea Organization,<br />
but lack a system of support they can rely on while getting on their feet in the outside world.</p>
<p>Former Sea Org members tend to be industrious workers but many have no employment history nor family outside of Scientology. Further, many have no formal education, bank account, driver’s license or credit history.</p>
<p>The challenges one encounters when leaving Scientology and the Sea Org are many. The Aftermath Foundation is devoted to providing resources, support, and advocacy to those who leave so they can gain their independence and make their way in the world.</p>
<p>It is a very honorable cause! If you or anyone you know is looking to leave Scientology or the Sea Org, and are not sure what to do, the Aftermath Foundation is there to help. You can learn more at <a href="https://theaftermathfoundation.org" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theaftermathfoundation.org</a> </p>
<p>Take care Guy! Hope you&#8217;re having a wonderful day.</p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523720</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Haseney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 14:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523628&quot;&gt;Guy Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

The big difference between people such as Mr. Vogel and myself is the fact that I&#039;ve walked away from Scientology and have seen the light, while Mr. Vogel, unfortunately, hasn&#039;t.

Whether you&#039;re still in Scientology or not, please show some respect: it is MISTER Rinder and MS. Remini.

The world outside scientology and dianetics is geared up to help mankind, not hurt it. Overall, Scientology and dianetics are crap shoots.

Scientology kept from publication for 27 years the L. Ron Hubbard biography by Russell Miller: &quot;Bare-Faced Messiah.&quot;

Read it. See the light.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523628">Guy Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>The big difference between people such as Mr. Vogel and myself is the fact that I&#8217;ve walked away from Scientology and have seen the light, while Mr. Vogel, unfortunately, hasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Whether you&#8217;re still in Scientology or not, please show some respect: it is MISTER Rinder and MS. Remini.</p>
<p>The world outside scientology and dianetics is geared up to help mankind, not hurt it. Overall, Scientology and dianetics are crap shoots.</p>
<p>Scientology kept from publication for 27 years the L. Ron Hubbard biography by Russell Miller: &#8220;Bare-Faced Messiah.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read it. See the light.</p>
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		By: TrevAnon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 14:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523670&quot;&gt;xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Or maybe read Mike&#039;s book and other books by exes? :)

Or read the stories in the big list?

(Hey - I can&#039;t help it.)

https://whyweprotest.fandom.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523670">xTeamXenu75to03chuckbeatty</a>.</p>
<p>Or maybe read Mike&#8217;s book and other books by exes? 🙂</p>
<p>Or read the stories in the big list?</p>
<p>(Hey &#8211; I can&#8217;t help it.)</p>
<p><a href="https://whyweprotest.fandom.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out" rel="nofollow ugc">https://whyweprotest.fandom.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out</a></p>
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		By: Fred Haseney		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523714</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Haseney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 14:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523622&quot;&gt;Guy Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Re: &quot;Let others learn about Scientology on their own and come to their own decision.&quot;

To Anyone Who Has Never Been in Scientology:

You will never be given a chance to &quot;learn about Scientology&quot; on your own, nor will you be given the opportunity to come to your own decision about it.

Let&#039;s say you&#039;re going to a doctor&#039;s appointment near the corner of Sunset and Vermont in Los Angeles. You&#039;re so green to scientology, you don&#039;t know what it is if anyone asked you about.

Well, that&#039;s all right because scientology has highly trained Body Routers planted between that major intersection and their Scientology organization, just two blocks away.

When a Body Router approaches you and starts a conversation, the BR will never mention the word &quot;scientology&quot; or &quot;L. Ron Hubbard,&quot; it&#039;s &quot;founder.&quot; Instead, the BR will have shiny, colorful &quot;tickets&quot; for a &quot;free&quot; movie or personality test. (That movie, by the way, may be for something called &quot;dianetics,&quot; something that the psychological profession warned the public about in 1950. Yes, that&#039;s right: 73 years ago. And I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve changed their mind about it.)

Body Routers have been perfecting their trade for decades. Back in their org, they spend countless hours drilling each other on how to (1) entice and (2) deceive you.

Once a BR entraps you, you&#039;ve become their prey. Know it or not, they&#039;re to going to haul you into their org. Once there, they&#039;re going to talk you into giving them your name, your phone number, your address. Then they&#039;ll trick you into buying a book, a course or even some counseling (&quot;auditing&quot;).

A Body Router and their associates will &quot;love bomb&quot; you. They&#039;ll make you feel welcomed, cared for and appreciated. The agreement between the two of you may become so significant that nothing, short of this warning, will be able to pull you away.

Don&#039;t do it. Run away, don&#039;t walk, from scientology and dianetics.

Sincerely,
Someone scientology suckered some 43 years ago.

P.S.

Guy Vogel:

You are everything a scientologist shouldn&#039;t be: invalidating, critical, mean and evaluating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523622">Guy Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;Let others learn about Scientology on their own and come to their own decision.&#8221;</p>
<p>To Anyone Who Has Never Been in Scientology:</p>
<p>You will never be given a chance to &#8220;learn about Scientology&#8221; on your own, nor will you be given the opportunity to come to your own decision about it.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re going to a doctor&#8217;s appointment near the corner of Sunset and Vermont in Los Angeles. You&#8217;re so green to scientology, you don&#8217;t know what it is if anyone asked you about.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s all right because scientology has highly trained Body Routers planted between that major intersection and their Scientology organization, just two blocks away.</p>
<p>When a Body Router approaches you and starts a conversation, the BR will never mention the word &#8220;scientology&#8221; or &#8220;L. Ron Hubbard,&#8221; it&#8217;s &#8220;founder.&#8221; Instead, the BR will have shiny, colorful &#8220;tickets&#8221; for a &#8220;free&#8221; movie or personality test. (That movie, by the way, may be for something called &#8220;dianetics,&#8221; something that the psychological profession warned the public about in 1950. Yes, that&#8217;s right: 73 years ago. And I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve changed their mind about it.)</p>
<p>Body Routers have been perfecting their trade for decades. Back in their org, they spend countless hours drilling each other on how to (1) entice and (2) deceive you.</p>
<p>Once a BR entraps you, you&#8217;ve become their prey. Know it or not, they&#8217;re to going to haul you into their org. Once there, they&#8217;re going to talk you into giving them your name, your phone number, your address. Then they&#8217;ll trick you into buying a book, a course or even some counseling (&#8220;auditing&#8221;).</p>
<p>A Body Router and their associates will &#8220;love bomb&#8221; you. They&#8217;ll make you feel welcomed, cared for and appreciated. The agreement between the two of you may become so significant that nothing, short of this warning, will be able to pull you away.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t do it. Run away, don&#8217;t walk, from scientology and dianetics.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Someone scientology suckered some 43 years ago.</p>
<p>P.S.</p>
<p>Guy Vogel:</p>
<p>You are everything a scientologist shouldn&#8217;t be: invalidating, critical, mean and evaluating.</p>
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		By: Mike Rinder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 14:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523696&quot;&gt;Guy Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Scientology sessions???? 

You really are delusory. Your “certainty” and “knowingness” are leading you astray.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523696">Guy Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>Scientology sessions???? </p>
<p>You really are delusory. Your “certainty” and “knowingness” are leading you astray.</p>
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		By: jim rowles		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523708</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 13:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523667&quot;&gt;Guy Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Cut and Paste?

Just one stat for your &#039;package&#039; dude no matter how many times you repeat it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523667">Guy Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>Cut and Paste?</p>
<p>Just one stat for your &#8216;package&#8217; dude no matter how many times you repeat it.</p>
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		By: The Trashheap		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523707</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 13:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523628&quot;&gt;Guy Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, nah... That&#039;s not how indoctrination works, mate. If this was a good business that helped people, it would be free to be on whatever weird arsed, made up bridge bullshit and there wouldn&#039;t be punishments and ostracism. Just stop it. You sound unhinged.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523628">Guy Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, nah&#8230; That&#8217;s not how indoctrination works, mate. If this was a good business that helped people, it would be free to be on whatever weird arsed, made up bridge bullshit and there wouldn&#8217;t be punishments and ostracism. Just stop it. You sound unhinged.</p>
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		By: The Trashheap		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523622&quot;&gt;Guy Vogel&lt;/a&gt;.

Bahahahahaha!!! If you could hear how silly you sounded lol. 

Okay, bro. Whatever you reckon. Clearly haven&#039;t actually listened to Mike at all since he has left. Call your Dad, man. You&#039;re in a cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523622">Guy Vogel</a>.</p>
<p>Bahahahahaha!!! If you could hear how silly you sounded lol. </p>
<p>Okay, bro. Whatever you reckon. Clearly haven&#8217;t actually listened to Mike at all since he has left. Call your Dad, man. You&#8217;re in a cult.</p>
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		By: Guy Vogel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy Vogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 08:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523649&quot;&gt;Former Believer&lt;/a&gt;.

A valid point but not back in my day.  I cannot control what others &#039;pull in&#039; or are subject too - both good and bad.  Perhaps some of it is true.  I do not know.  I&#039;ve not had to deal with it and I have not seen it.  I do great with the tech and have been for years. It is a gift.  It works for us. We are blessed.  I got what you said though.  We have also been messed with more than one would imagine - over the years.  But is that any different from outside world experiences? I weigh out the good with the bad and I get more good than bad. You will always be disappointed with whatever you do in life one way or another by who you let into your life.  The key is for me to stand up and fight back if need be and handle a situation at that moment and not let it lurk over me – wherever it may come from inside or out in the world. That is your right and that is integrity.  On another note I do not accept Scientology as a church.  I do not see it as a religion and I never did over all my years in it.  It is an applied philosophy and nothing more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523649">Former Believer</a>.</p>
<p>A valid point but not back in my day.  I cannot control what others &#8216;pull in&#8217; or are subject too &#8211; both good and bad.  Perhaps some of it is true.  I do not know.  I&#8217;ve not had to deal with it and I have not seen it.  I do great with the tech and have been for years. It is a gift.  It works for us. We are blessed.  I got what you said though.  We have also been messed with more than one would imagine &#8211; over the years.  But is that any different from outside world experiences? I weigh out the good with the bad and I get more good than bad. You will always be disappointed with whatever you do in life one way or another by who you let into your life.  The key is for me to stand up and fight back if need be and handle a situation at that moment and not let it lurk over me – wherever it may come from inside or out in the world. That is your right and that is integrity.  On another note I do not accept Scientology as a church.  I do not see it as a religion and I never did over all my years in it.  It is an applied philosophy and nothing more.</p>
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		By: Guy Vogel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 07:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523649&quot;&gt;Former Believer&lt;/a&gt;.

They should be real men and learn to say No and then follow through at their own pace. 

Those who object to self betterment may want to be more effective and rent a few charter buses and then peacefully protest in front of Flag, AOLA and Asho. The effect created would be much greater. They may even release some of their by- passed charge stemming from possible hidden overts.

The tech works for those who are capable and wise enough to use it. We are blessed!

Ask Rinder if he still has Scientology sessions. I can tell that he does. How hypocritical is that?

Guy Vogel]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-13-8/#comment-523649">Former Believer</a>.</p>
<p>They should be real men and learn to say No and then follow through at their own pace. </p>
<p>Those who object to self betterment may want to be more effective and rent a few charter buses and then peacefully protest in front of Flag, AOLA and Asho. The effect created would be much greater. They may even release some of their by- passed charge stemming from possible hidden overts.</p>
<p>The tech works for those who are capable and wise enough to use it. We are blessed!</p>
<p>Ask Rinder if he still has Scientology sessions. I can tell that he does. How hypocritical is that?</p>
<p>Guy Vogel</p>
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