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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2019 16:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-248126&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

As an aside, &quot;process&quot; has a King&#039;s English definition which is applicable to scn, but 
&quot;processing&quot; makes me think of what occurs in a meat packing factory. &quot;Start of session. We will begin processing you.&quot; lol

process 1. a systematic series of actions directed to some end:
to devise a process for homogenizing milk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-248126">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>As an aside, &#8220;process&#8221; has a King&#8217;s English definition which is applicable to scn, but<br />
&#8220;processing&#8221; makes me think of what occurs in a meat packing factory. &#8220;Start of session. We will begin processing you.&#8221; lol</p>
<p>process 1. a systematic series of actions directed to some end:<br />
to devise a process for homogenizing milk.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2019 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-248126&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

PM - I left Scn in 1982 and my recollection is that training and processing was streamlined back then. You learned how to operate the e-meter, take session notes, and only studied the basic &quot;theory&quot; behind the processes and started co-auditing if you weren&#039;t just paying for processing.

Before all the price increases an e-meter cost $150 and the OT Package cost $3,500 which was about the cost of a new car back then. I didn&#039;t do the OT levels so I don&#039;t know how much of an obstacle course it was back then. There were always new rundowns coming out where you could go to the Mecca of Technical Perfection (Flag) and spend more money. I&#039;m not saying it wasn&#039;t always about the money, only that it&#039;s a lot worse now than back then.

Maybe someone sitting on the fence might read this &quot;ancient history&quot; and realize how badly they&#039;re getting skinned and depart the CoS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-248126">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>PM &#8211; I left Scn in 1982 and my recollection is that training and processing was streamlined back then. You learned how to operate the e-meter, take session notes, and only studied the basic &#8220;theory&#8221; behind the processes and started co-auditing if you weren&#8217;t just paying for processing.</p>
<p>Before all the price increases an e-meter cost $150 and the OT Package cost $3,500 which was about the cost of a new car back then. I didn&#8217;t do the OT levels so I don&#8217;t know how much of an obstacle course it was back then. There were always new rundowns coming out where you could go to the Mecca of Technical Perfection (Flag) and spend more money. I&#8217;m not saying it wasn&#8217;t always about the money, only that it&#8217;s a lot worse now than back then.</p>
<p>Maybe someone sitting on the fence might read this &#8220;ancient history&#8221; and realize how badly they&#8217;re getting skinned and depart the CoS.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247981&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard, did Hubbard himself ever deliver on the abilities listed on the grade chart?  Hasn&#039;t it been an &quot;obstacle course&quot; since at least the Fall of 1950, when Hubbard trotted out Sonya Bianca at the Shrine auditorium, and it was exposed he couldn&#039;t produce a &quot;clear&quot;?  Hubbard spent the next three and a half decades adding more and more processes and training that supposedly had to be done to achieve what had been promised in the early 1950s, creating a vast and complex system - time-consuming and inordinately expensive - that didn&#039;t produce any better results, either.

The only real difference I see, is that Miscavige doesn&#039;t have the same ability Hubbard did to string people along by promising that some new or modified &quot;tech&quot; he&#039;s developed will finally be the thing that fulfills all the promised that have failed before.  Plus he&#039;s not as charismatic or beguiling a personality, and happened to come along at the point that Scientology was starting to collapse under the weight of its own failures combined with changes in popular interests (as I&#039;ve repeated demonstrated, the general decline actually began in the early to mid 1970s when the baby boom turned to bust), so he makes a good scapegoat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247981">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Richard, did Hubbard himself ever deliver on the abilities listed on the grade chart?  Hasn&#8217;t it been an &#8220;obstacle course&#8221; since at least the Fall of 1950, when Hubbard trotted out Sonya Bianca at the Shrine auditorium, and it was exposed he couldn&#8217;t produce a &#8220;clear&#8221;?  Hubbard spent the next three and a half decades adding more and more processes and training that supposedly had to be done to achieve what had been promised in the early 1950s, creating a vast and complex system &#8211; time-consuming and inordinately expensive &#8211; that didn&#8217;t produce any better results, either.</p>
<p>The only real difference I see, is that Miscavige doesn&#8217;t have the same ability Hubbard did to string people along by promising that some new or modified &#8220;tech&#8221; he&#8217;s developed will finally be the thing that fulfills all the promised that have failed before.  Plus he&#8217;s not as charismatic or beguiling a personality, and happened to come along at the point that Scientology was starting to collapse under the weight of its own failures combined with changes in popular interests (as I&#8217;ve repeated demonstrated, the general decline actually began in the early to mid 1970s when the baby boom turned to bust), so he makes a good scapegoat.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 15:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247981&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Millions or perhaps billions of people over the course of human history have experienced kensho or satori which Buddhists might describe as a temporary glimpse of &quot;Awakening&quot;. Why some people have such experiences and most don&#039;t is unknown. Maybe scientology and dianetic auditing &quot;opens the mind&quot; to creative or imaginative thinking which is totally unscientific speculation.

A while back I watched a youtube video where a group of Ken Wilber&#039;s Integral Life followers went off into a jungle somewhere and got smashed on psychedelic jungle juice and went on a guided meditation with a guru. Some of them were later interviewed and they were rather starry eyed with their &quot;new perspective&quot;. I don&#039;t know if their new perspective stuck.

People who were never in a cult or a fundamentalist religion continually question how people can be so gullible and foolish so there&#039;s a reason. In the cartoon Rick is obviously curious - haha

P.S. The blog required me to again fill out the Name, Email and Website.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247981">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Millions or perhaps billions of people over the course of human history have experienced kensho or satori which Buddhists might describe as a temporary glimpse of &#8220;Awakening&#8221;. Why some people have such experiences and most don&#8217;t is unknown. Maybe scientology and dianetic auditing &#8220;opens the mind&#8221; to creative or imaginative thinking which is totally unscientific speculation.</p>
<p>A while back I watched a youtube video where a group of Ken Wilber&#8217;s Integral Life followers went off into a jungle somewhere and got smashed on psychedelic jungle juice and went on a guided meditation with a guru. Some of them were later interviewed and they were rather starry eyed with their &#8220;new perspective&#8221;. I don&#8217;t know if their new perspective stuck.</p>
<p>People who were never in a cult or a fundamentalist religion continually question how people can be so gullible and foolish so there&#8217;s a reason. In the cartoon Rick is obviously curious &#8211; haha</p>
<p>P.S. The blog required me to again fill out the Name, Email and Website.</p>
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		By: Walking Wog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 12:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247908&quot;&gt;Ms. B. Haven&lt;/a&gt;.

Miss B Haven - that was an awesome post and that is exactly how Scientology works.

Subliminal suggestions are given by L Ron Hubbard throughout his tech - to nullify and invalidate any opposing viewpoint of Scientology - so he has tons of built in justifications as to why it does not work.

He is only dangling a carrot on a stick but you can&#039;t see it unless you get out - let some time go by and then LOOK again in a new unit of time with some education about mind control under your belt.  

So - when you &quot;expect&quot; $cientology to deliver the promises stated on Grade Chart 

There is the $cientological implant - &quot;you have a hidden standard&quot;

I jumped off the Bridge when they showed me that reference on &quot;hidden standard&quot; after going Clear and doing all L&#039;s.....

My wins.... I  got sick, needed glasses, filed bankruptcy, lost home to foreclosure and shattered my family after joining staff - thinking that would be the solution. 

 It was not - it only did more harm TO ME.

Scientology is a Bridge to Total Confusion and Ultimate destruction of all dynamics.

Lurkers - jump off now before you ruin your life.  The Wog World is not scary or horrible.  It is FREE and beautiful!  

Whatever you do - do not apply Scientology to your problems.  Scientology is nothing but a problem you do not want.  

Come on down to Present Time -  to reality where the Truth will set you free.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247908">Ms. B. Haven</a>.</p>
<p>Miss B Haven &#8211; that was an awesome post and that is exactly how Scientology works.</p>
<p>Subliminal suggestions are given by L Ron Hubbard throughout his tech &#8211; to nullify and invalidate any opposing viewpoint of Scientology &#8211; so he has tons of built in justifications as to why it does not work.</p>
<p>He is only dangling a carrot on a stick but you can&#8217;t see it unless you get out &#8211; let some time go by and then LOOK again in a new unit of time with some education about mind control under your belt.  </p>
<p>So &#8211; when you &#8220;expect&#8221; $cientology to deliver the promises stated on Grade Chart </p>
<p>There is the $cientological implant &#8211; &#8220;you have a hidden standard&#8221;</p>
<p>I jumped off the Bridge when they showed me that reference on &#8220;hidden standard&#8221; after going Clear and doing all L&#8217;s&#8230;..</p>
<p>My wins&#8230;. I  got sick, needed glasses, filed bankruptcy, lost home to foreclosure and shattered my family after joining staff &#8211; thinking that would be the solution. </p>
<p> It was not &#8211; it only did more harm TO ME.</p>
<p>Scientology is a Bridge to Total Confusion and Ultimate destruction of all dynamics.</p>
<p>Lurkers &#8211; jump off now before you ruin your life.  The Wog World is not scary or horrible.  It is FREE and beautiful!  </p>
<p>Whatever you do &#8211; do not apply Scientology to your problems.  Scientology is nothing but a problem you do not want.  </p>
<p>Come on down to Present Time &#8211;  to reality where the Truth will set you free.</p>
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		By: Ann Davis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247908&quot;&gt;Ms. B. Haven&lt;/a&gt;.

Great post!]]></description>
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<p>Great post!</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 02:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247908&quot;&gt;Ms. B. Haven&lt;/a&gt;.

I was out of Scn long before Dm created his &quot;obstacle course to total freedom&quot;. I thought the stated abilities gained on the lower grade chart sounded reasonable and I had a let&#039;s see what happens attitude. As far as OT abilities I thought that astral planing around the universe (exteriorization in scn-speak) was ridiculous as far as I was concerned but maybe someone else might be able to do it. Tales of such do exist.

However, after Scn I had a couple of transcendental type experiences and more recently I had the experience of feeling like a passenger in the car I was driving. The experience only lasted ten minutes but it was fun while it lasted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247908">Ms. B. Haven</a>.</p>
<p>I was out of Scn long before Dm created his &#8220;obstacle course to total freedom&#8221;. I thought the stated abilities gained on the lower grade chart sounded reasonable and I had a let&#8217;s see what happens attitude. As far as OT abilities I thought that astral planing around the universe (exteriorization in scn-speak) was ridiculous as far as I was concerned but maybe someone else might be able to do it. Tales of such do exist.</p>
<p>However, after Scn I had a couple of transcendental type experiences and more recently I had the experience of feeling like a passenger in the car I was driving. The experience only lasted ten minutes but it was fun while it lasted.</p>
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		By: Independent Scientology News		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[O/T. Saturday, January 5, 2019: Event at the Church of Scientology of Dallas featuring Scientology Freedom Medal Winner Nation of Islam Minister Tony Muhammad, who preaches &quot;the Jews&quot; control drugs, pimping, pedophilia, and pornography.

My tweet:  https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/1081113424900296705

Direct link to story:  http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/scientology-awards-freedom-medal-to-nation-of-islam-min-tony-muhammad-who-promotes-anti-semitic-book.44564/page-13#post-1193171 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O/T. Saturday, January 5, 2019: Event at the Church of Scientology of Dallas featuring Scientology Freedom Medal Winner Nation of Islam Minister Tony Muhammad, who preaches &#8220;the Jews&#8221; control drugs, pimping, pedophilia, and pornography.</p>
<p>My tweet:  <a href="https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/1081113424900296705" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/1081113424900296705</a></p>
<p>Direct link to story:  <a href="http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/scientology-awards-freedom-medal-to-nation-of-islam-min-tony-muhammad-who-promotes-anti-semitic-book.44564/page-13#post-1193171" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/scientology-awards-freedom-medal-to-nation-of-islam-min-tony-muhammad-who-promotes-anti-semitic-book.44564/page-13#post-1193171</a> </p>
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		By: otherles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has anyone caught on in fact that LRH was a conman?]]></description>
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		By: jere Lull (38 years recovering		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247861&quot;&gt;Spirit Seeker&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;[Leah] is trying to get ethics in.&quot;  OH, SO TRUE!&quot;  &quot;Aftermath&quot; is basically a number of KRs on scientology, itself; submitted in the only way that has effectively gotten those outpoints considered by anyone who matters and can effect change within the criminal organizatiopn masquerading as a religion for legal and financial benefit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-177/#comment-247861">Spirit Seeker</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;[Leah] is trying to get ethics in.&#8221;  OH, SO TRUE!&#8221;  &#8220;Aftermath&#8221; is basically a number of KRs on scientology, itself; submitted in the only way that has effectively gotten those outpoints considered by anyone who matters and can effect change within the criminal organizatiopn masquerading as a religion for legal and financial benefit.</p>
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