Here’s a look at Lucifer, maybe from a Luciferian “Light Side of The Force” point of view, come to free mankind from a tyrannical God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQm8Ssh4ynQ

LOL, if you could assume a sane viewpoint and then read what you write you wold faint.

After reading the numerous comments in link story above, I am beginning to wonder now if it was George and Brian who colluded and composed this false “OTVIII” “HCOB”. With the large amount of manic comments they make they seem to have a vested interest in its promulgation. Come on George and Brian – fess up! Hah!

Oh! I really didn’t want to get into toing and froing on this daft subject again. I’ve covered this point by point in an old posting somewhere. You say “numerous references” above, and provide 1, but I know of no others. Hubbard never actually met Crowley and his dealings with Jack Parsons is 3 years before he came out with Dianetics so it escapes you that the remark was made tongue in cheek.

For example, Wynski in an old posting, strangely enough to you, stated: “PeaceMaker. I know the Original Snr. C/S of the ship who trained on the materials with the Snr C/S Int BEFORE the ship was launched. The ORIGINAL level written by El Con is the one with the Anti-christ and Jesus, et al. It was basically just ONE process. Going over past lives ID’s from prior auditing and getting a Yes/No read. Fini.” Wynski fails to realize that he is giving the actual version of OTVIII – the Lucifer one had a series of processes but these have mysteriously disappeared or they are around somewhere (but they are too ridiculous to publish so were quietly “lost”) – so Wynski is er, well, let’s say he is being either inventive, or economical with the truth – or misinformed by the “Senior C/S”.

And no one has ever explained how a copy of the most secure document in Scientology history managed to find its way down the gangplank off the ship, if it was true that is. The document was composed by some or a few malicious swine but nowhere near the ship or any Orgs.

No, I can’t be bothered to explain all this any longer, it is so daft that if you believe it well carry on doing so. See what Tim-S states here in:

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/ot-viii-is-lame/

which is more or less correct. George’s Lucifer nonsense is just that – nonsense. The document is a complete and malicious hoax.

I particularly like FG’s remark in that same story:

“Now there is the “Jesus is a lover of young boy” version, which seems to never have been delivered to anyone except to George White who apparently is coming from another time continuum !!”

Ne’er a true word spoken! He’s still “there”. Hah! And of course I see my old friend Brian is involved in the link story as well – well, that’s a turn up for the book eh?

Foolproof, what do you think George has wrong about the things Hubbard himself said vis-a-vis Lucifer and the anti-Christ? Hubbard confirmed his close connection to such schools of occult thought with numerous references early on, such as:

“Aleister Crowley, the late Aleister Crowley, my very good friend….He signs himself “The Beast”; “The Mark of the Beast, 666.” ” – The Philadelphia Doctorate Course, L. Ron. Hubbard, Tape #18, Dec 5, 1952

L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. reported that after Aleister Crowley’s death in 1947, Hubbard decided to “take over the mantle of the Beast.” There’s obviously some basis for that, given his affinity for Crowley, expressed above, and his involvement in Jack Parsons’ Pasadena lodge of Crowley’s OTO, including his marriage to another Crowley acolyte – Sara, who also helped in the development of Dianetics (including as a corporate officer).

Besides George and a number of others who initially did OTVIII, several former Scientology officials have confirmed that this is in Hubbard’s 1980 version of the level:

“No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations (sic) section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which an arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and his opinions will have sway … this anti-Christ represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the “light-bearer” or “light-bringer”), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment…. My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief anti-Christ period.” – L. Ron Hubbard, Student Briefing, OT VIII, Series 1

I actually became familiar with Crowley before Hubbard, and from the point of view of occult studies, it makes complete sense – and is really even expectable – that Hubbard would take such a position. It’s also consistent with Hubbard’s notions about “implants” and the various other positions he has expressed regarding traditional religion, and his and Scientology’s relation to it and their role.

Actually FOOL, Hubtard is the one who wrote about OT VIII and spontaneous combustion.

Well done George! Keep this up and any of Brian’s lurkers reading your drivel above will steer well away from this site, whilst singing the Pink Floyd phrase “the lunatics are in the hall”! Next you will be saying that one spontaneously combusts if you run “OTVIII” wrong! As for the gushing Skyler, is he a fellow Jesuit cabalist associate or a second log-on of yours? What devils!

Well done George. I never had any idea you were so knowledgeable of History and could write in such marvellous terms. I believe your post is one of the most poignant I have ever seen and I will be paying a lot more attention to you in future.

Applause! Applause! Applause!

Hubbard Hater, please come back here often and post even more often.

IMHO, we need more people just like you to come here and not be afraid to tell us exactly how they feel.

I usually refer to Hubbard by the worst insult I know. It is two words that I will not repeat here out of consideration for Mike. I`m certain he would not appreciate me posting these two words because this should really be a family site where children can come and not be confronted by the worst language in the world – which is of course the perfect way to describe Hubbard. By the way, those two words start with the initials “C. A.” Both words are two syllables.

I was truly saddened to hear how your family was cheated out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. I am truly saddened every time I hear of such miserable crimes – especially in consideration of what is done with all that money and what will eventually happen to it.

Seems to me it is used to buy real estate just to try and stave off the IRS so that TS (The Scam) can keep their precious tax exempt status. Eventually, when Miscavige is sent to the penitentiary or dies from some horribly painful cancer (God? Are you listening?) all that real estate will be auctioned off at basement bottom prices and will all wind up in the hands of lawyers and their families.

Another big chunk of money will wind up in the hands of Hollywood movers and shakers who will make a fortune after producing a tragic heartbreaking move about the life and times of this insanity.

God Bless you Hubbard Hater. You are not alone. Come back and visit with us often. This place is filled with your brothers and sisters.