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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257993</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257208&quot;&gt;Stat&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, Mick.  Eloquently stated and 100% true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257208">Stat</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, Mick.  Eloquently stated and 100% true.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 18:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257241&quot;&gt;PeaceMaker&lt;/a&gt;.

PeaceMaker - The hypnotist trick was funny even though unpleasant for the poor woman. Oddly enough it gives SOME credence to Elron&#039;s theory about the reactive mind, subconscious triggers causing irrational reactions. I&#039;m NOT saying everyone has a Reactive Mind which needs to be erased. laughter]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257241">PeaceMaker</a>.</p>
<p>PeaceMaker &#8211; The hypnotist trick was funny even though unpleasant for the poor woman. Oddly enough it gives SOME credence to Elron&#8217;s theory about the reactive mind, subconscious triggers causing irrational reactions. I&#8217;m NOT saying everyone has a Reactive Mind which needs to be erased. laughter</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 18:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257713&quot;&gt;jere lull (38years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere- I should have added &quot;being facetious&quot; to my comment. Being silly or facetious sometimes doesn&#039;t come across right on a blog and I&#039;ve gotten into a couple of scrapes in the past for not indicating my intent - haha

As an experiment I only entered mikerindersblog.org in the website field to see if it goes through]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257713">jere lull (38years recovering)</a>.</p>
<p>Jere- I should have added &#8220;being facetious&#8221; to my comment. Being silly or facetious sometimes doesn&#8217;t come across right on a blog and I&#8217;ve gotten into a couple of scrapes in the past for not indicating my intent &#8211; haha</p>
<p>As an experiment I only entered mikerindersblog.org in the website field to see if it goes through</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257290&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

R., I think that, like the prohibition on &quot;other practices,&quot; Hubbard was trying to prevent people from finding out that there were other paths to the same sort of altered-state experiences that Scientology provides, from the &quot;high&quot; of auditing and the feeling of personal growth, to the dissociative and out-of-body experiences of &quot;exteriorization.&quot;  He probably also fell for the then-popular belief that you refer to, that LSD users could have &quot;flashbacks,&quot; which fit with the theory that the purif is based on about the body retaining drugs in fatty tissues (not original to him, either).

A seasoned commenter over at ESMB, recently posted that they knew people decades ago who became disillusioned with the OT levels, gave up on Scientology and went back to using drugs.  That exemplifies the threat to Scientology, when people know that there are other routes to the same sort of experiences.

Also, I think Hubbard didn&#039;t want people around, who might have understood how he had come to &quot;rise above the bank,&quot; which probably started with his 1938 experience on nitrous oxide (&quot;whippets,&quot; a dental anesthetic Hubbard was probably experimenting with as a recreational drug) that resulted in &quot;Excalibur&quot; (the description of which fits with a classic type of revelatory nitrous oxide high).  And then if his son &quot;Nibs&quot; and other sources are correct, that was augmented by later psychedelic drug experimentation as well, along with his copious use of mood-altering drugs such as the stimulant benzedrine that he promoted early on, and the &quot;pinks and grays&quot; that he referred to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257290">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>R., I think that, like the prohibition on &#8220;other practices,&#8221; Hubbard was trying to prevent people from finding out that there were other paths to the same sort of altered-state experiences that Scientology provides, from the &#8220;high&#8221; of auditing and the feeling of personal growth, to the dissociative and out-of-body experiences of &#8220;exteriorization.&#8221;  He probably also fell for the then-popular belief that you refer to, that LSD users could have &#8220;flashbacks,&#8221; which fit with the theory that the purif is based on about the body retaining drugs in fatty tissues (not original to him, either).</p>
<p>A seasoned commenter over at ESMB, recently posted that they knew people decades ago who became disillusioned with the OT levels, gave up on Scientology and went back to using drugs.  That exemplifies the threat to Scientology, when people know that there are other routes to the same sort of experiences.</p>
<p>Also, I think Hubbard didn&#8217;t want people around, who might have understood how he had come to &#8220;rise above the bank,&#8221; which probably started with his 1938 experience on nitrous oxide (&#8220;whippets,&#8221; a dental anesthetic Hubbard was probably experimenting with as a recreational drug) that resulted in &#8220;Excalibur&#8221; (the description of which fits with a classic type of revelatory nitrous oxide high).  And then if his son &#8220;Nibs&#8221; and other sources are correct, that was augmented by later psychedelic drug experimentation as well, along with his copious use of mood-altering drugs such as the stimulant benzedrine that he promoted early on, and the &#8220;pinks and grays&#8221; that he referred to.</p>
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		By: jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, if ONLY the staff could/would openly discuss &quot;Aftermath&quot; like that … WITHOUT the guy in the middle KRing the others so they get an express ride to the FPRD, and the (un)Truth Rundown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, if ONLY the staff could/would openly discuss &#8220;Aftermath&#8221; like that … WITHOUT the guy in the middle KRing the others so they get an express ride to the FPRD, and the (un)Truth Rundown.</p>
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		By: jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, RB: minor point, but wasn&#039;t the RPF abandoned due to there being too-defined a way out?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, RB: minor point, but wasn&#8217;t the RPF abandoned due to there being too-defined a way out?</p>
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		By: jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Commenters: it&#039;s EASY to support another&#039;s first Amendment right to free speech when they write what you believe; far harder to accept when you disagree.  Though I sometimes rag on FOOL proof for incomprehensibility, I am too much  a believer in free speech to suggest abridging his right to make a fool of himself.
Also remember, &quot;the right  of free speech belongs to the guy who buys ink by the barrel.&quot; (IOW, the right belongs to the publisher, not the random person who wants to unintelligibly rant.)  Of course, if you disagree with a particular publisher/blogger, you&#039;re always welcome to start one of your own. It&#039;s almost trivial to start up a new blog on the Interwebz these days. Getting readers and contributors is a different story, involving writing believably and compellingly enough that folks ENJOY what you&#039;re scribbling.  It&#039;s a lot more difficult than tagging onto someone else&#039;s work and taking potshots at others. My hat&#039;s off to Mike for the volume of incisive essays he puts up for critique and criticism, not to mention  the &quot;Fair Gaming&quot; he endures with remarkably cheerful aplomb. Branching out to the Aftermath show, then the Foundation shows his real dedication to getting the truth broadly disseminated, not the &quot;acceptable truths&quot;(lies) that scientology may eventually abandon since they DON&#039;T WORK. IMO, either they&#039;ll stop of their own reasoned (not reasonable!) calculations or their pronouncements will simply be ignored, to the same effect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenters: it&#8217;s EASY to support another&#8217;s first Amendment right to free speech when they write what you believe; far harder to accept when you disagree.  Though I sometimes rag on FOOL proof for incomprehensibility, I am too much  a believer in free speech to suggest abridging his right to make a fool of himself.<br />
Also remember, &#8220;the right  of free speech belongs to the guy who buys ink by the barrel.&#8221; (IOW, the right belongs to the publisher, not the random person who wants to unintelligibly rant.)  Of course, if you disagree with a particular publisher/blogger, you&#8217;re always welcome to start one of your own. It&#8217;s almost trivial to start up a new blog on the Interwebz these days. Getting readers and contributors is a different story, involving writing believably and compellingly enough that folks ENJOY what you&#8217;re scribbling.  It&#8217;s a lot more difficult than tagging onto someone else&#8217;s work and taking potshots at others. My hat&#8217;s off to Mike for the volume of incisive essays he puts up for critique and criticism, not to mention  the &#8220;Fair Gaming&#8221; he endures with remarkably cheerful aplomb. Branching out to the Aftermath show, then the Foundation shows his real dedication to getting the truth broadly disseminated, not the &#8220;acceptable truths&#8221;(lies) that scientology may eventually abandon since they DON&#8217;T WORK. IMO, either they&#8217;ll stop of their own reasoned (not reasonable!) calculations or their pronouncements will simply be ignored, to the same effect.</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257713&quot;&gt;jere lull (38years recovering)&lt;/a&gt;.

Jere - I agree that the LSD prohibition is a good thing. Several people have commented that they took LSD on purpose when they were teenagers just so they could avoid being recruited. I think Elron ramped up sea org recruiting in the seventies as a priority but most of us were first generation and could brush off sea org recruiting. Incidentally, for a while the military was concerned that LSD users might freak out in combat and some people got draft deferments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257713">jere lull (38years recovering)</a>.</p>
<p>Jere &#8211; I agree that the LSD prohibition is a good thing. Several people have commented that they took LSD on purpose when they were teenagers just so they could avoid being recruited. I think Elron ramped up sea org recruiting in the seventies as a priority but most of us were first generation and could brush off sea org recruiting. Incidentally, for a while the military was concerned that LSD users might freak out in combat and some people got draft deferments.</p>
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		By: jere lull (38years recovering)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257290&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard, you seem to think the LSD prohibition was a BAD thing?  IMO
, it was good in that some poor souls were excluded from that mindfcuk, so they couldn&#039;t be used to lure others in or to keep their families trapped inside.

I found 5 years of the SO to be more than anyone should subject themselves to - - - And that was BEFORE dwarfenführer started squirreling things around. 
BTW, Where IS shelly, Davey&#039;s wife? ( I assume there&#039;s no divorce since that&#039;s a  public record, easily discovered.[ As long as it&#039;s done in an industrialized country.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257290">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Richard, you seem to think the LSD prohibition was a BAD thing?  IMO<br />
, it was good in that some poor souls were excluded from that mindfcuk, so they couldn&#8217;t be used to lure others in or to keep their families trapped inside.</p>
<p>I found 5 years of the SO to be more than anyone should subject themselves to &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; And that was BEFORE dwarfenführer started squirreling things around.<br />
BTW, Where IS shelly, Davey&#8217;s wife? ( I assume there&#8217;s no divorce since that&#8217;s a  public record, easily discovered.[ As long as it&#8217;s done in an industrialized country.]</p>
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		By: John Doe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257671&quot;&gt;OmegaPaladin&lt;/a&gt;.

I think you have expressed this well, Omega. I agree that all of those personalities existed in him. And the last two particularly, in his later years. 

As I think about this, I would say there were elements of another personality, one that craved approval and recognition from those he perceived as his equals or those higher socially than he. 

And if he were dismissed by those he considered higher socially, it depressed him and enraged him and he would seek revenge. 

Those who opposed him that he considered lower than he were targets of abuse or destruction, without any sense of remorse or empathy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-184/#comment-257671">OmegaPaladin</a>.</p>
<p>I think you have expressed this well, Omega. I agree that all of those personalities existed in him. And the last two particularly, in his later years. </p>
<p>As I think about this, I would say there were elements of another personality, one that craved approval and recognition from those he perceived as his equals or those higher socially than he. </p>
<p>And if he were dismissed by those he considered higher socially, it depressed him and enraged him and he would seek revenge. </p>
<p>Those who opposed him that he considered lower than he were targets of abuse or destruction, without any sense of remorse or empathy.</p>
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