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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2021 16:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure his wife will love the industrial kitchenware that feeds an OT committee!]]></description>
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		By: Komodo Dragon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 23:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444815&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

And when the wife wakes up, which i feel she is so close to doing, she can still use the air fryer to make yummy  treats when she has WOG friends over for dinners.  The ring she would have to take to a pawn shop.  The  pawned ring would be limited to purchase by someone with the initials ARC.]]></description>
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<p>And when the wife wakes up, which i feel she is so close to doing, she can still use the air fryer to make yummy  treats when she has WOG friends over for dinners.  The ring she would have to take to a pawn shop.  The  pawned ring would be limited to purchase by someone with the initials ARC.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 19:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444821&quot;&gt;Jere Lull&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah, but we have the past as prologue.

Tens of thousands of people in Scientology do read things outside of Scientology as part of their route out of Scientology!

We have a lot of evidence for this as the Posse of Lunatics story, endless false and broken promises, torture, human trafficking, and abuse  and innumerable alterations of Scientology doctrine and practices by David Miscavige, on top of the lies and abuse from Ronald Hubbard himself have prompted the waves and waves of people who look outside of Scientology for answers!

We of course also have the literature on cults to back this up!

Remember the man who infiltrated a doomsday cult to see what happens when the cult fails? 

Leon Festinger studied a doomsday cult in his book, When Prophecy Fails and detailed how we tend to seek information that agrees with our own beliefs but can switch to seeking information that disconfirms our beliefs when we have too much contradictory information, particularly about something important to us.

I already wrote a post on the book A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance by Leon Festinger.

Festinger went on to say:
The presence or absence of dissonance in some particular content area will have important effects on the degree of information seeking and on the selectivity of such information seeking. (Page 126)
Relative absence of dissonance. If little or no dissonance exists, there would be no motivation ( considering this source of motivation alone ) to seek out new and additional information. (Page 127)
The presence of moderate amounts of dissonance. The existence of appreciable dissonance and the consequent pressure to reduce it will lead to the seeking out of information which will introduce consonances and to the avoidance of information which will increase the already existing dissonance. (Page 128)
The presence of extremely large amounts of dissonance. Under such circumstances a person may actively seek out, and expose himself to, dissonance-increasing information. If he can increase the dissonance to the point where it is greater than the resistance to change of one or another cluster of cognitions, he will then change the cognitive elements involved, thus markedly reducing or perhaps even wholly eliminating the dissonance which now is so great. (Page 129)

Festinger here gives us crucial information. If the internal conflict over an idea or behavior is entirely absent a person has no reason to gain information. There are some things a person doesn&#039;t care about. A concept may not have any supporting or opposing content in one&#039;s mind. So you just don&#039;t care.

If you have moderate dissonance, meaning a bit of discouraging information but not too much you avoid disagreeing evidence and seek agreeing evidence. So you might avoid TV shows that disagree with your political views, as an example, and watch ones likely to agree.

For millions of Americans an extreme polarization and self censorship is observable. With as an example Fox news millions of people either agree and only watch Fox news for national political information or strongly disagree and never watch Fox news for national political information.

One could say many of these people have moderate dissonance and seek to reduce it by finding agreement from Fox while avoiding disagreement from others. Now one might say &quot;Why is the dissonance continuing if he only seeks agreement ?&quot;, Well he runs into people who don&#039;t follow his beliefs or other evidence. So he can stay in moderate dissonance for decades if he doesn&#039;t change his routine or get new information of significant influence relevant to the dissonant cognition.

Here is the goldilocks zone of any subject, you care and are not unbiased and open to any information. But you are seeking more proof you are already right and avoiding proof you are wrong. The conditions are just right to keep you close minded and biased towards your beliefs and behaviors. And to keep finding evidence you are right while avoiding evidence you are wrong.

The Scientology cult is built to get a person here subtly, covertly and keep them there.

Now when dissonance is near the absolute limit possible a person changes dramatically. They can seek dissonant information to examine. Why ? Because the way they have been thinking and doing things isn&#039;t comfortable and finding small bits of consonant information doesn&#039;t relieve the dissonance.

As a simple way to describe this say you get a job at a company and for a while like the pay, work and work environment. It is highly consonant. You don&#039;t look for evidence against your job. Simple, then say you find out your company pollutes extensively and uses slave labor in other countries and other unethical practices. Say that is highly troubling to you and you feel tremendously conflicted. It generates high dissonance. You are very concerned on a deep personal level.
 At that point just seeing the company logo or motto won&#039;t comfort you. A manager just trying to mildly compliment the company won&#039;t work. It will merely frustrate you.

In this situation seeking more evidence against your old behaviors and ideas may actually be sought and feel right. Even though you face admitting having been wrong you can dismiss much or all the dissonance involved by changing your mind. All the dissonant elements can be resorted as consonant and the formerly consonant ones as dissonant. So you can entirely switch sides on an issue. For a job you might quit.

Well for Scientologists this has special meaning. When dissonance escalates to explosive proportions the Scientologist can start seeking neutral or critical information on Scientology. Normally Scientologists never do that.

But eventually hearing the same ideas from Hubbard or getting auditing may not relieve doubts about Scientology. So this is the origin of lurkers - the people who secretly look outside the cult and examine the internet at sites like the Underground Bunker and read books critical of Scientology.

In social psychology the three factors of emotions , behaviors and ideas interact. In theory all three are connected and can influence each other. Hubbard stole all three for his methods and renamed and redefined each. He called emotions affinity, ideas reality and behaviors communication. He recognized that manipulating any one could control the other two. I explored that in ARC and KRC.

 Cognitive dissonance theory has the concept that with enough dissonance, which for my example can be seen as equivalent to an emotion, one can affect behavior and subsequently beliefs which are ideas. With no concern for something no behavior regarding it is inspired, with slight concern a little reassurance is sought and accepted and with tremendous unrelenting discomfort, even anxiety , internal conflict and worry a person can be driven to look for disagreeing information to settle the issue. They can become open, even slightly, to accepting the criticism of their formerly held beliefs. In this way emotions that in the past trapped a person can turn and compel them towards freedom. This level is called explosive dissonance.

The lurkers moved outside the goldilocks zone. Some sadly are so overwhelmed and confused they stop and go back into the cult. So the information they run into is important.

Fortunately many keep up looking outside the cult and begin recovery in earnest. I hope this post has offered an explanation that will help people understand why people stay and why they leave. And to help them recover.

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http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2017/09/scientology-and-cognitive-dissonance.html?m=1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444821">Jere Lull</a>.</p>
<p>Ah, but we have the past as prologue.</p>
<p>Tens of thousands of people in Scientology do read things outside of Scientology as part of their route out of Scientology!</p>
<p>We have a lot of evidence for this as the Posse of Lunatics story, endless false and broken promises, torture, human trafficking, and abuse  and innumerable alterations of Scientology doctrine and practices by David Miscavige, on top of the lies and abuse from Ronald Hubbard himself have prompted the waves and waves of people who look outside of Scientology for answers!</p>
<p>We of course also have the literature on cults to back this up!</p>
<p>Remember the man who infiltrated a doomsday cult to see what happens when the cult fails? </p>
<p>Leon Festinger studied a doomsday cult in his book, When Prophecy Fails and detailed how we tend to seek information that agrees with our own beliefs but can switch to seeking information that disconfirms our beliefs when we have too much contradictory information, particularly about something important to us.</p>
<p>I already wrote a post on the book A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance by Leon Festinger.</p>
<p>Festinger went on to say:<br />
The presence or absence of dissonance in some particular content area will have important effects on the degree of information seeking and on the selectivity of such information seeking. (Page 126)<br />
Relative absence of dissonance. If little or no dissonance exists, there would be no motivation ( considering this source of motivation alone ) to seek out new and additional information. (Page 127)<br />
The presence of moderate amounts of dissonance. The existence of appreciable dissonance and the consequent pressure to reduce it will lead to the seeking out of information which will introduce consonances and to the avoidance of information which will increase the already existing dissonance. (Page 128)<br />
The presence of extremely large amounts of dissonance. Under such circumstances a person may actively seek out, and expose himself to, dissonance-increasing information. If he can increase the dissonance to the point where it is greater than the resistance to change of one or another cluster of cognitions, he will then change the cognitive elements involved, thus markedly reducing or perhaps even wholly eliminating the dissonance which now is so great. (Page 129)</p>
<p>Festinger here gives us crucial information. If the internal conflict over an idea or behavior is entirely absent a person has no reason to gain information. There are some things a person doesn&#8217;t care about. A concept may not have any supporting or opposing content in one&#8217;s mind. So you just don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>If you have moderate dissonance, meaning a bit of discouraging information but not too much you avoid disagreeing evidence and seek agreeing evidence. So you might avoid TV shows that disagree with your political views, as an example, and watch ones likely to agree.</p>
<p>For millions of Americans an extreme polarization and self censorship is observable. With as an example Fox news millions of people either agree and only watch Fox news for national political information or strongly disagree and never watch Fox news for national political information.</p>
<p>One could say many of these people have moderate dissonance and seek to reduce it by finding agreement from Fox while avoiding disagreement from others. Now one might say &#8220;Why is the dissonance continuing if he only seeks agreement ?&#8221;, Well he runs into people who don&#8217;t follow his beliefs or other evidence. So he can stay in moderate dissonance for decades if he doesn&#8217;t change his routine or get new information of significant influence relevant to the dissonant cognition.</p>
<p>Here is the goldilocks zone of any subject, you care and are not unbiased and open to any information. But you are seeking more proof you are already right and avoiding proof you are wrong. The conditions are just right to keep you close minded and biased towards your beliefs and behaviors. And to keep finding evidence you are right while avoiding evidence you are wrong.</p>
<p>The Scientology cult is built to get a person here subtly, covertly and keep them there.</p>
<p>Now when dissonance is near the absolute limit possible a person changes dramatically. They can seek dissonant information to examine. Why ? Because the way they have been thinking and doing things isn&#8217;t comfortable and finding small bits of consonant information doesn&#8217;t relieve the dissonance.</p>
<p>As a simple way to describe this say you get a job at a company and for a while like the pay, work and work environment. It is highly consonant. You don&#8217;t look for evidence against your job. Simple, then say you find out your company pollutes extensively and uses slave labor in other countries and other unethical practices. Say that is highly troubling to you and you feel tremendously conflicted. It generates high dissonance. You are very concerned on a deep personal level.<br />
 At that point just seeing the company logo or motto won&#8217;t comfort you. A manager just trying to mildly compliment the company won&#8217;t work. It will merely frustrate you.</p>
<p>In this situation seeking more evidence against your old behaviors and ideas may actually be sought and feel right. Even though you face admitting having been wrong you can dismiss much or all the dissonance involved by changing your mind. All the dissonant elements can be resorted as consonant and the formerly consonant ones as dissonant. So you can entirely switch sides on an issue. For a job you might quit.</p>
<p>Well for Scientologists this has special meaning. When dissonance escalates to explosive proportions the Scientologist can start seeking neutral or critical information on Scientology. Normally Scientologists never do that.</p>
<p>But eventually hearing the same ideas from Hubbard or getting auditing may not relieve doubts about Scientology. So this is the origin of lurkers &#8211; the people who secretly look outside the cult and examine the internet at sites like the Underground Bunker and read books critical of Scientology.</p>
<p>In social psychology the three factors of emotions , behaviors and ideas interact. In theory all three are connected and can influence each other. Hubbard stole all three for his methods and renamed and redefined each. He called emotions affinity, ideas reality and behaviors communication. He recognized that manipulating any one could control the other two. I explored that in ARC and KRC.</p>
<p> Cognitive dissonance theory has the concept that with enough dissonance, which for my example can be seen as equivalent to an emotion, one can affect behavior and subsequently beliefs which are ideas. With no concern for something no behavior regarding it is inspired, with slight concern a little reassurance is sought and accepted and with tremendous unrelenting discomfort, even anxiety , internal conflict and worry a person can be driven to look for disagreeing information to settle the issue. They can become open, even slightly, to accepting the criticism of their formerly held beliefs. In this way emotions that in the past trapped a person can turn and compel them towards freedom. This level is called explosive dissonance.</p>
<p>The lurkers moved outside the goldilocks zone. Some sadly are so overwhelmed and confused they stop and go back into the cult. So the information they run into is important.</p>
<p>Fortunately many keep up looking outside the cult and begin recovery in earnest. I hope this post has offered an explanation that will help people understand why people stay and why they leave. And to help them recover.</p>
<p>From</p>
<p><a href="http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2017/09/scientology-and-cognitive-dissonance.html?m=1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2017/09/scientology-and-cognitive-dissonance.html?m=1</a></p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444828</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444560&quot;&gt;Loosing my Religion&lt;/a&gt;.

Being a true 8k would be in keeping with the scientology ethic.<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f92c.png" alt="🤬" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
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<p>Being a true 8k would be in keeping with the scientology ethic.🤬</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444546&quot;&gt;valboski&lt;/a&gt;.

If possible, their finest jewelry pieces would be &quot;gold dusted&quot;, I believe. I expect it&#039;ll be only months before the &quot;plating&quot; wore and flaked off —it it were thick enough to flake. (unlikely, IMO).]]></description>
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<p>If possible, their finest jewelry pieces would be &#8220;gold dusted&#8221;, I believe. I expect it&#8217;ll be only months before the &#8220;plating&#8221; wore and flaked off —it it were thick enough to flake. (unlikely, IMO).</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444581&quot;&gt;Eyes Wide&lt;/a&gt;.

True, Mike and Leah are doing such a great job, but it&#039;s the Dwarfenführer® who&#039;s got &lt;b&gt;straight up and vertical&lt;/b&gt; stats in his efforts to destroy what&#039;s calling itself scientology, and sucking the lifeblood out of what little is left]]></description>
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<p>True, Mike and Leah are doing such a great job, but it&#8217;s the Dwarfenführer® who&#8217;s got <b>straight up and vertical</b> stats in his efforts to destroy what&#8217;s calling itself scientology, and sucking the lifeblood out of what little is left</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444542&quot;&gt;valboski&lt;/a&gt;.

We didn&#039;t know then what he really was.  It&#039;s a shame we don&#039;t have a TARDIS so we can go back and &quot;kill Hitler&quot;. NOT that *I* could do such a thing.  I&#039;m a born-again pacifist a/k/a coward.]]></description>
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<p>We didn&#8217;t know then what he really was.  It&#8217;s a shame we don&#8217;t have a TARDIS so we can go back and &#8220;kill Hitler&#8221;. NOT that *I* could do such a thing.  I&#8217;m a born-again pacifist a/k/a coward.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444565&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Sadly, the only CURRENT scns who can/will read these posts are the OSA agents assigned to monitor the scientology-watchers&#039; sites.  They&#039;re the least likely to read and understand the posts as their &quot;church&#039;s&quot; most obvious failings, but only label them as &quot;entheta&quot;: upsetting the applecart with is based wholly upon lies from Day 1: Page 1 of Book 1.]]></description>
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<p>Sadly, the only CURRENT scns who can/will read these posts are the OSA agents assigned to monitor the scientology-watchers&#8217; sites.  They&#8217;re the least likely to read and understand the posts as their &#8220;church&#8217;s&#8221; most obvious failings, but only label them as &#8220;entheta&#8221;: upsetting the applecart with is based wholly upon lies from Day 1: Page 1 of Book 1.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2021 17:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-2-10/#comment-444536&quot;&gt;Zee Moo&lt;/a&gt;.

The &quot;air fryer&quot; was the more valuable item, and it has a USE.]]></description>
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<p>The &#8220;air fryer&#8221; was the more valuable item, and it has a USE.</p>
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		By: Loosing my Religion		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2021 05:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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Jere right. I meant they make more than a 900% markup on that superfine &quot;jewelery&quot;.]]></description>
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<p>Jere right. I meant they make more than a 900% markup on that superfine &#8220;jewelery&#8221;.</p>
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