They’ve shown up at all times of the day and night. NO “Ideal Org” has EVER been found to have more than a few people arriving for services.

THEY ARE DEAD

Wynski, I wish those 1st Amendment “auditors” would show up at the right times to see how many people are arriving for classes, and clearly show how many vehicles are in the orgs’ parking lots – and perhaps the condition of their Volunteer Minister vans as well. An important part of “auditing” Scientology should be assessing if they really are something like a church providing a public benefit, or are more of a private social/business club largely closed to the public, serving only a tiny number of members in lavish facilities, and not really engaged in the community.

Yeah but he might enjoy it.

Them: “What? Lady…I am NOT a server…I am with COS…..we’re handing out free TWTH books”.

Me: “WTF is COS?…Hold on a minute……Seriously, do you mean that nut case CULT I’ve seen on the AFTERMATH”???? Holy Crap!

Them: “Cult?? Cult??? We are NOT a cult, we are a religion”…..we can help you…for a small donation…”

Me: “Here you go, keep your damned book….you need thjs $10 more than I do…Get OUT while you can”

A person can read the Bible and find it perfectly applicable to life today. But a reading of DMSMH does not acquit itself as being of any value today. It’s the ramblings of a crank, that wasn’t even credible in its own time.

All religious scriptures are “credible” in the absence of reason.

The superstitious ramblings of old would be treated with the same contempt today as Hubbard’s galactic confederacies, theta traps and body thetans.

That so many still find this ancient twaddle relevant is almost unfathomable in a post Enlightenment age. Yet far more scorn is seemingly poured over a scientologist’s faith – it’s almost as if scientologists should know better.

And maybe they should…as should those who still live by the ideas of illiterate goat herders who wiped their asses with their own bare hands.

Hi George and Brian – Your conversation here somehow reminded me of something George posted on Marty’s blog a few years ago.

“My mindfulness and wisdom are mature
And my mind well concentrated.
Conjure up whatever forms you wish,
But you will never make me tremble.”

Samyutta Nikaya – 489

The quotation from the Samyutta Nikaya does not contain the words of Buddha Gotama. They are actually from a saint confronting Mara, the evil one, also translated as “death”.

GMW

Damn. No wonder people don’t like me. I thought negative consequences was a new band.

Great reply, Brian. It makes sense. Hubbard essentially thought he was God. My take on the issue was that Hubbard was never even close to understanding Buddhism let alone Original Buddhism. The anti-Christ in Buddhism is essentially Mara who is considered evil. But Hubbard was so ignorant. Hubbard even said that he was an ancient Monk named Dharma who existed before the Buddha! Hubbard was all over the place with lies. Hubbard was always trying to show that he was superior to everyone. Crowley wrote a large article on Buddhism and tried meditation which he disliked. Hubbard rejected meditation and that is probably another reason why he failed so badly.

“It never ceases to amaze me as I rummage through old cartoons how timeless they ALL are… But then again, nothing ever really changes in scientology, except perhaps the willingness to exploit “successful actions” to take money-grubbing to a new level of depravity.”

That reminded me of many sites I’ve seen where there is a question at the top of the page which asks:

“What does it mean to be a Scamatologist?”

I finally think that I may have a good answer:

What does it mean? It means you have learned how to roll with the punches – and the beatings – and the humiliations – and the degradation and the terrible loss of life – and the terrible loss of family – and worst of all?

Worst of all it means that when you get near the end of life, you accept the complete loss of what could have been a worthwhile life when you realize that you have spent your entire life in the service of a monstrous con man and madman who is concerned only with enriching himself at your expense.

So …. Congratulations! Would you like to pose for another picture holding one of those meaningless stupid certificates? It will only cost you about $100K. Worth it at half the price. Don’t you think?