papepipopu, LMAO! the US had no shortage of medical personnel Until the gov’t started subsidizing that area heaily. If you truly wish to understand econ read Bastiat. Also the H-1B visa program was not created because of pressure from business but SOLELY because one US senator took a huge campaign donation from a wealthy Indian who wanted to hire only people from his country so he could pay them dirt wages

The Branch Davidians are a weird subject, the Waco Siege happened at a strange in-between time when the internet was beginning to take off, but was not yet ubiquitous, and the 24-hour news cycle wasn’t yet a thing, so people watched a nightly news broadcast, which ramped up the production and drama of certain kinds of events… and, the climate in general made controlling the flow of information much easier, and concentrated the power to control what information was out there, to a far greater extent than today.

This is always a strange topic to brooch too because Ruby Ridge and later, the Waco Siege had become cause célèbre for militia movement types and white supremacists, ultra-far right-wing wackjobs adopted these as “their causes” to the extent that, simply citing either, could cause one to see seen as a member of one of those groups… I think this force has effectively kept people outside of those spheres from reexamining these US Government oversteps of the early 90s.

I bring this up because, any reasonable person can go back today and look at all the best information, even from government sources, on what the Branch Davidians were doing, what they were suspected of, what they were actually guilty of… and there is not much there. Most of it amounts to just, weirdness, and the appearance of possible child abuse, but no actual abuses.

Compare this to Scientology, and the difference is night and day- rampant abuse, just at every level, far more sexual and other just bizarre weirdness, rape, crime… you could take the grain of evil you might have been able to distill out of the Branch Davidians, and multiply it by a million, and Scientology’s evil would still be greater.

Now, compare how the government has treated the two groups… one, was completely exterminated, constitutional rights suspended and every last member literally killed, then burned, with their complex, wiped off the face of the earth. The other, much worse group… they get tax-exempt status, and then they get left alone.

I wasn’t really going anywhere with this… of course i’m not saying the feds should move on Scientology in the same manner they moved on the Branch Davidians… but doing nothing at all, sure is odd.

I’d suspect like with most things, the money and power differential is what spells extermination for one group, where the other is left to thrive.

People who are being sought out from abroad because they have something to contribute, are likely to always be exempted from even strict immigration laws. Lots of third-world countries train nurses and doctors at much higher rates than we do, mostly because they socialize the cost of their education, recognizing they are a needed resource. Since we have a constant shortfall, it’s always bring more in, or more people here do without. Making it easy for whatever industry to pull in whoever they might need helps everyone but, people do abuse it, like anything. I remember seeing an article not too long back about a prominent politician who was abusing these same laws to get untrained immigrants in the country to pick grapes at his winery…

That interview on 20/20 really highlighted what a hideous cow she is. That interview was way back when Leah had left the church. When M. Y. compared child abuse to cutting ones hair well, she sort of makes your skin crawl.

This brings up a curious question which Mike might be able to explore. What in hell is going on with the Masterson case? The DA has had it for (I think) a couple of years and there seems to be total silence from her office. Has she been bought off? Or has scio found dirt on her and is blackmailing her into silence? And no one on Tony’s site or even here seems to look into it, either. Most weird.

Hubbard is at fault.

Hubbard ought to have, and today “top management” of Scientology should today make it strong policy to turn over law violating Scientology staff and members to appropriate justice and police.

There is a Hubbard policy which tells how to get this omitted policy into a written “new” policy for the movement..

I quote, this is Hubbard, telling his PR personnel what their job is,

“…THE DUTY AND PURPOSE OF A PUBLIC RELATIONS MAN IS THE INTERPRETATION OF TOP MANAGEMENT POLICY TO THE DIFFERENT PUBLICS OF THE COMPANY–TO ADVISE TOP MANAGEMENT SO THAT POLICY IF LACKING CAN BE SET–…..”

This really is a no brainer, and admittedly both when I was in, and even now out, of helping train thousands of staff and Sea Org members, I too was admittedly guilty of having no brain, so to speak, but even still, Hubbard’s above quoted LOOPHOLE policy point, is that the PR persons of Scientology do that the duty to propose to “top management” advice to set policy, when needed.

The child and staff to staff and staff to public Scientologists sexual felonies need policy set to stop it.

Other religions and high priced lawyers for these other religions have helped other religions deal with this problem in these other religions.

The no brainer solution, is Scientology follow what other recent religions have done to stop their internal sex abuse.

Adopt policy, and I’m sure the high priced lawyers who’ve helped other religions stop their sexual abuse and properly legally turn out their felony committing religion members over to policy and authorities for rightful just prosecution or dealing.

Just follow Hubbard’s above policy, and Scientology could deal with this.

My ex member no brain suggestion.

Chuck Beatty
old Assistant Admin Training Courses Supervisor, Flag, 1977-1981, 1982-3.

Yes, look what happened to Shelly’s mother when she tried to leave and speak out. She “committed suicide” by shooting herself with a shotgun, not one, but at least 2 shots. Then the coroner was hounded by the cult to declare the death a suicide

Good lord!

Yes, I would agree but he is a “she” from what I’ve been told.

“The Orifice”…lol! Good one, Mark.

As to the tough bitches, I suppose they almost have to adopt that persona in order to survive in that hellish environment. Problem is, after a while, the mask becomes who they really are, or who they think they really are. Like actors who invent a persona and then actually BECOME that persona – these people get very screwed up, mentally. Some actors never forget who they really are. My favorite example: Archie Leach. He invented this witty, urbane, debonair, upper class persona, called it “Cary Grant” and became hugely successful. But he knew he was Archie Leach from Liverpool or some such poor area of England. He’d poke fun at himself: ” Everyone wants to be Cary Grant. Even I want to be Cary Grant”