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		By: Troy S		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-323881</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2020 03:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A nice ending to this one, but I expected the last panel to have them say &quot;Anyway, you know I have to write a KR on you for this&quot;, and the other says &quot;Yeah, me too&quot;.  Funny but grim, RB style.  RB must&#039;ve been in a good mood when making this one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice ending to this one, but I expected the last panel to have them say &#8220;Anyway, you know I have to write a KR on you for this&#8221;, and the other says &#8220;Yeah, me too&#8221;.  Funny but grim, RB style.  RB must&#8217;ve been in a good mood when making this one.</p>
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		By: unelectedfloofgoofer		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322366</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 00:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s why Miscavige will probably start sending vans to retrieve members at home for the monthly fundraise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why Miscavige will probably start sending vans to retrieve members at home for the monthly fundraise.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322227</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321919&quot;&gt;Take em down&lt;/a&gt;.

Take em down, the easy way to invalidate the Sea Org &quot;contract&quot; is to read it. It&#039;s unenforceable on its face, complete rubbish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321919">Take em down</a>.</p>
<p>Take em down, the easy way to invalidate the Sea Org &#8220;contract&#8221; is to read it. It&#8217;s unenforceable on its face, complete rubbish.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322224</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321946&quot;&gt;Dotey OT&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh BOY, I could use a glass of whine right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321946">Dotey OT</a>.</p>
<p>Oh BOY, I could use a glass of whine right now.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322223</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No one believes, but everyone believes that everyone ELSE believes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one believes, but everyone believes that everyone ELSE believes.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322220</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321909&quot;&gt;Zee Moo&lt;/a&gt;.

zee moo asked:&quot;Do real Clams actually talk like this to each other?&quot;

Short answer&quot;
No.&quot; Tubby realized that if his slaves talked about their experiences, he&#039;d lose control over them, so that&#039;s verboten. True believers enforce that behavior upon themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321909">Zee Moo</a>.</p>
<p>zee moo asked:&#8221;Do real Clams actually talk like this to each other?&#8221;</p>
<p>Short answer&#8221;<br />
No.&#8221; Tubby realized that if his slaves talked about their experiences, he&#8217;d lose control over them, so that&#8217;s verboten. True believers enforce that behavior upon themselves.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322217</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321886&quot;&gt;Graham&lt;/a&gt;.

Graham quipped:&quot;Looks like someone needs to write up a KR on Kelly!&quot;

BOO!  That&#039;s just ONE reason why we need to stay far away from that insanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321886">Graham</a>.</p>
<p>Graham quipped:&#8221;Looks like someone needs to write up a KR on Kelly!&#8221;</p>
<p>BOO!  That&#8217;s just ONE reason why we need to stay far away from that insanity.</p>
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		By: jere Lull (39 years recovering)		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322215</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321925&quot;&gt;Tom Provenzano&lt;/a&gt;.

So true, Tom!  It&#039;s only since I left Flag that I&#039;ve rediscovered how great it is to have real friends as compared to those I thought I had in scn.  My friends from before scientology turned out to be just as strong as they&#039;d been before I took off for a decade as one of Tubby&#039;s slaves; NO financial transaction necessary, and NO doubt/liability &quot;condition&quot; garbage required to be one of them again.  Just show up and the intervening years are *gone*.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321925">Tom Provenzano</a>.</p>
<p>So true, Tom!  It&#8217;s only since I left Flag that I&#8217;ve rediscovered how great it is to have real friends as compared to those I thought I had in scn.  My friends from before scientology turned out to be just as strong as they&#8217;d been before I took off for a decade as one of Tubby&#8217;s slaves; NO financial transaction necessary, and NO doubt/liability &#8220;condition&#8221; garbage required to be one of them again.  Just show up and the intervening years are *gone*.</p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322117</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321974&quot;&gt;OmegaPaladin&lt;/a&gt;.

Very interesting - so is a preference cascade, what disrupts pluralistic ignorance, the phenomenon often at work in Scientology, such as when everyone believes that everyone else is experiencing the promised &quot;case gain&quot; that they&#039;re not? (Cunningly reinforced in Scientology, by the prohibitions against disucssing &quot;case&quot; and other things)

&#039;In social psychology, pluralistic ignorance is a situation in which a majority of group members privately reject a norm, but go along with it because they assume, incorrectly, that most others accept it. This is also described as &quot;no one believes, but everyone thinks that everyone believes&quot;. &#039;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321974">OmegaPaladin</a>.</p>
<p>Very interesting &#8211; so is a preference cascade, what disrupts pluralistic ignorance, the phenomenon often at work in Scientology, such as when everyone believes that everyone else is experiencing the promised &#8220;case gain&#8221; that they&#8217;re not? (Cunningly reinforced in Scientology, by the prohibitions against disucssing &#8220;case&#8221; and other things)</p>
<p>&#8216;In social psychology, pluralistic ignorance is a situation in which a majority of group members privately reject a norm, but go along with it because they assume, incorrectly, that most others accept it. This is also described as &#8220;no one believes, but everyone thinks that everyone believes&#8221;. &#8216;</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance</a></p>
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		By: PeaceMaker		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-322111</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321973&quot;&gt;OmegaPaladin&lt;/a&gt;.

Hubbard also served during an all-out war in which it was sometimes necessary to be inordinately inefficient, and sacrifice human lives with relative disregard.  Not only is that not how the military normally operates, but afterwards they tried figure out how to never again have to resort to such things even in wartime.

Typically, Hubbard learned the wrong lessons from the first half of the 20th century.  The same can be said, for instance, of the things he picked up from early psychology and psychiatry - such as the abreactive regression therapy he saw in the Navy and copied in Dianetics, but which the Navy and others had abandoned by 1950 because it turned out to cause the problems that still plague Dianetics and Scientology to this day, including lack of long-term results despite seeming impressive short-term reactions, and some patients actually getting worse including going psychotic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-230/#comment-321973">OmegaPaladin</a>.</p>
<p>Hubbard also served during an all-out war in which it was sometimes necessary to be inordinately inefficient, and sacrifice human lives with relative disregard.  Not only is that not how the military normally operates, but afterwards they tried figure out how to never again have to resort to such things even in wartime.</p>
<p>Typically, Hubbard learned the wrong lessons from the first half of the 20th century.  The same can be said, for instance, of the things he picked up from early psychology and psychiatry &#8211; such as the abreactive regression therapy he saw in the Navy and copied in Dianetics, but which the Navy and others had abandoned by 1950 because it turned out to cause the problems that still plague Dianetics and Scientology to this day, including lack of long-term results despite seeming impressive short-term reactions, and some patients actually getting worse including going psychotic.</p>
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