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February 28, 2020 By Mike Rinder 60 Comments
jere Lull (39 years recovering) says
March 13, 2020 at 11:01 pm
So muh for not evaluating for or invalidating the PC…. *EXCEPT* when it comes to a reg cycle: getting that almighty dollar from them.
February 29, 2020 at 11:21 am
It was perplexing to registrars when I insisted on applying Scientology finance policy to my own finances. That’s the only thing that prevented financial disaster for my family.
Scientology finance policy doesn’t allow overspending. Money must be on hand before it can be spent. It also doesn’t allow going into debt. Good for Hubbard’s orgs but not good when used by a parishioner.
Of course registrars have lots of practice dealing with parishioners’ objections to being fleeced, but seemed especially frustrated by trying to get around my instance on standard finance policy. In the end, it always came down to saying “No”, no matter what the registrar said.
March 13, 2020 at 11:04 pm
Whatwall, that’s the most important word in scientology:” NO” just “no”.
February 29, 2020 at 9:39 am
Whenever I see a scientologist referring to scientology as their church or religion as the woman does in the last panel it catches my attention. In the 1970s that would have been considered very “uncool”. “Who the heck is religious!? Wake up!”
February 29, 2020 at 5:52 am
Looks like the Reg won again. I hope this isn’t followed by the Bankruptcy Rundown.
March 2, 2020 at 5:46 pm
“Looks like the Reg won again. I hope this isn’t followed by the Bankruptcy Rundown.”
One way or the other, scientology ALWAYS dumps its clams in SOME sort of bankruptcy; financial, moral, whatever else they can come up with; they’re inventive that way.
February 28, 2020 at 5:30 pm
“The only reason you’re dramatizing all of these money related problems is because you can’t have money. Your havingness is nearly non-existent.” Says he who is the staff member making $25 a week if he’s lucky. LOL – this is a classic line.
Take Em Down says
February 28, 2020 at 3:19 pm
Will scientology offer coronavirus shots when available….(saving the world)
Overrun in California says
February 28, 2020 at 4:40 pm
The O.T.’s should just “as is” this virus. That would be easy for them I would think. If they can stop hurricanes, they can stop a little virus. C’mon O.T.’s! Do your stuff.
February 28, 2020 at 5:11 pm
Of course not, if you get coronavirus, you pulled it in and are PTS according to scientology religious doctrine.
February 28, 2020 at 7:13 pm
Does this mean that if I went down to the store to buy toilet paper, and contracted the virus there, it was my fault because I should not have had the desire to buy toilet paper???…………..
February 28, 2020 at 10:35 pm
No according to scientology doctrine, you only get sick if you are PTS, so if you walked into a ward full of corona virus patients and you weren’t PTS of course you would walk away unscathed (eye roll).
March 1, 2020 at 1:38 am
She’s 100% right, Take em Down. Val is not pulling your leg. This is Scientology doctrine.
February 28, 2020 at 10:56 pm
It will be interesting to see how they react if the virus becomes widespread in California or Florida. You’d think something like that would expose how they’re just like everyone else – and maybe even more vulnerable than average do to their pseudo-science practices and anti-medical beliefs – but then again the remaining bubble dwellers seem mostly impervious to anything that might be a reality check.
The virus could take a real toll on members, staff and sea org since they have the particular risk factors of age and smoking, plus of course the sea org live in the sort of close quarters where it could spread easily. Their hypervigilance and obsessiveness has brought them a string of luck with things like the measles case on the ship, but at some point their constant existence right on the edge is going to result in one of those “black swan” events John P. Capitalist has talked about.
March 1, 2020 at 1:54 am
Age, smoking, constant inadequate nutrition, disbelief in and disavowal of the benefits of medicine resulting in their ignoring physical conditions which require medical attention, allowing these conditions to worsen, constant stress due to financial worries, constant stress due to pressure to give of their time, money and efforts to Scientology while also having to earn their livings and support their families, constant stress due to being told that they are responsible if Scientology doesn’t make it, constant stress due to the necessity of dodging incessant demands for money, constant stress due to having to pretend to themselves and others that Scientology is expanding when they see that its actually shrinking, constant stress because they are essentially honest people who don’t want to lie, constant stress because their purposes for getting into Scientology are failing and they know it and they’re unhappy about it but at the same time expected to LOOk and act happy and “uptone”…just off the top of my head.
Its no wonder why these people die before their time.
March 1, 2020 at 1:42 pm
lExactly right. And if corona virus hits at Big Blue, many SO members will contract it due to the sleeping and living situations, 0 or more to a room in bunk beds three high. I’ve seen it in the past when flu or something goes through ASHO and almost all the staff members are stricken just from the close living situation.
March 2, 2020 at 5:54 pm
Take Em Down asked:
“Will scientology offer coronavirus shots when available….(saving the world)”
Lately scn seems to have gone anti-vaxx. Instead, they offer the expen$ive PTS “handlings” which proof the clams from any and ALL germs — even CANCER, it seems.
March 2, 2020 at 6:01 pm
As I wandered the web earlier today, I skimmed past a news story that some religious group was indicted on murder charges after some of the congregation came down and died from COVID-19 because the leader(s) willfully flaunted the health officials’ regulations. Might have been in Italy, but I thought-stopped myself by classing the story as “just another crazy cult getting in trouble” and didn’t bother to read the story carefully.
Chris Shugart says
February 28, 2020 at 1:22 pm
This RB strip made my stomach hurt. It was sort of like a Vietnam flashback.
White Rabbit says
February 28, 2020 at 12:12 pm
O/T, but it appears that Bob Duggan is giving a talk at Saint Hill UK this weekend. Looks like he’s been ‘recovered’.
March 1, 2020 at 10:01 am
Probably because Dave told him about the Are Tee Cees new dating game for single but upstat Oh Tees. Each million you dono into the coffers of hell gets you a night with a reg and a get out of ethics free card.
March 1, 2020 at 1:33 pm
I”ll take the get out of ethics free card and skip the night with the reg part.
Old Surfer Dude says
February 28, 2020 at 12:01 pm
I’d like to take all those so called Rundowns and shove them up there their collective asses! That would make me happy!
February 28, 2020 at 12:00 pm
What would I say to a Scientologist?
Accept the fact you’ve been conned.
Xenu's Son says
February 29, 2020 at 11:37 am
Easy to say if you bought into the idea we are right and wogs are wrong.Took me 10 years to admit to myself that I was conned.
February 28, 2020 at 11:50 am
Kind of off topic but nor really. When you are in scientology, you are always working and always broke. Last night, my husband and I were talking about his brother’s wife, who is retirement age, but is going to work for a couple more years because she wants to. He commented that she has worked since she was a teenager, except for the time she took off when the kids were born.
I said “time off when the kids were born” that would have been nice. He asked me where I worked when my kids were babies. A really innocuous question. I honestly could not remember. I have taken my scientology life and locked it away in such a deep hole in my brain that I could not break in to remember where I worked during that time.
I dug and dug in my brain and finally figured it out, then I started remembering that we only had one car which my husband, who didn’t work, had to have, so I rode the bus downtown every day. Then I remembered a lot of other stuff. The offshoot? I woke up this morning with a migraine.
Yep. No wonder I locked all that shit in a box. So glad to be out of there and that I have my service dog. Now I get to call and make an appointment with my psychologist and relive some more shit.
OSA bot reading this blog: Real life is so much better. Freedom is so much better. Leave while you can. I left with no resources and thrived. There are resources out there now. You will be fine.
February 28, 2020 at 1:33 pm
Oh man Val I’m so sorry, but also so impressed by all you do to deal with it vs letting it paralyze you! Always liked your avatar of the dog in the water, but now love it more! My niece has juvenile diabetes and got a service dog last year. It’s incredible the bond they have and how amazing that he’s learned to smell blood sugar changes! He’s a lifeline for her and absolutely knows it.
I do hope osa and lurkers that visit here see your comments – I think the exes that post their stories, memories and anecdotes are more powerful than we realize!
Dotey OT says
February 28, 2020 at 11:48 am
We have found that the best way to achieve financial affluence is to kiss the choich goodbye!! Credit score now 824, and as of about three days ago have $ 0.00 on charge cards. That’s right, no balance on charge cards. Any fellow exes can relate, I’m sure. We made the credit go creak creak, until it went CRUNCH. Now the problem is the mortgage on the house, which was nearly paid off BEFORE the idle morgue crap, it’s about 98k and dropping. But we have a big empty choich in the city, lol!
Oh, and we see current scamologists everyday, who share their stories. One said they now are at about 600k in debt. Believe me, they don’t have much to show for it either.
February 28, 2020 at 8:05 pm
Really enjoyed your “success story” on finance.
I can definitely relate. My finances turned around almost immediately upon leaving the cult. There was a near-magical quality to this. I left nearly 8 years ago and haven’t been broke since. Its not that I got rich – no. I earn pretty much what I used to when I was in. I just have what I need with enough left over to give me a feeling of security. I’m never stressed about money any more. Its great!
February 29, 2020 at 6:14 am
We pinch ourselves everyday. Whenever we are in a bad mood, all one of us has to say is “this could be a lot worse. We could still be donating. We could be trying to dig up 20k. We could trying to figure some monumental (I do mean Mental) registrar stupidity out.”
I frequent the ESMB Redux blog. You should drop by sometime and tell us some stories. I still would love to plan something. Seriously.
March 1, 2020 at 1:58 am
Thanks, Dotey. Maybe I’ll give it a try. So far I’ve only posted here. I read Tony’s but have never posted there. ESMB is also interesting, very interesting with all the personal stories. When you say, “plan something” do you mean a kind of “get together’ – all of us, somewhere?
February 28, 2020 at 11:45 am
The “Havingness runaround: ” Having more debt than you can pay off in one lifetime…. ” Priceless, and so F-ing TRUE!
February 28, 2020 at 11:40 am
What part of NO-o-o-o! do you NOT understand?
February 28, 2020 at 8:22 pm
That’s what I used to say to the reg’s.
Sometimes I’d say, in as friendly and cheerful a tone level as I could manage,
“You’ve asked me this same question 5 times. Each time I’ve answered, ‘No’. We are not doing a repetitive process. You are not my auditor; I am not your PC. We are engaging in something called ‘2-way comm’. Also called a ‘conversation’. Now, you have just asked me the same question 5 times and I have given you the same answer 5 times. Are we done now?”
This would usually get me written up for being “1.1”.
Well, OK, so was 1.1. I couldn’t help it! Over and over and over again, the same thing. It got on my nerves and brought out my worst sarcastic impulses.
February 29, 2020 at 1:55 am
Laughing. The worst thing do you know what it is? This insistence is called “hardsell” and that for them means taking really good care of the person. There is also a definition. The truth is that the reg at that time sees a stat not a person. Scientology IS an implant for anyone comes in. Period.
March 1, 2020 at 2:09 am
Yes, its true, you just reminded me of that! Asking you for money over and over and over, irritating the hell out of you, driving you up a freakin’ wall by by ignoring your “no” and asking again and again and again, THAT, my friends, is called, in Scientology, “CARING for the person”. Ah, yes, they “cared” a great deal. Unreal. I mean, its Orwellian in how 180% OFF that is. They SO did not care about YOU at all. What they CARED about – all they ever cared about was Thursday at 2PM! Thanks for reminding me LRM, reminding me in this way so that I can once more say a fervent humble prayer of thanks that I’m longer a part of this insane organization!
Theetie Wheetie says
March 1, 2020 at 9:32 am
OMG Peacemaker. That is awesome. I am going to write up that hat and give it to a few people that are being financially ruined by Scientology. Great job. You were not 1.1 – you were real. Good for you. You totally were at cause over your finances and did not allow that manipulation to occur. Would you like for others to have that same win? LOL! I would!
March 2, 2020 at 12:23 pm
Hi Theetie, its Aqua and I’m the 1.1, not Peacemaker 🙂 Feel free to share and use the Anti-Cult-Extortion Defense Technique; it worked for me exactly once. And thanks for the kind acknowledgement 🙂
March 2, 2020 at 5:35 pm
In many ways, the greatest win from scientology is getting OUT; and I would love ALL currently “in” to experience that wonderful state of “Clear from the cult”.
February 28, 2020 at 11:05 am
This was a great post today and a fine example on how really Scientology works. The “reach and withdraw” trick. They love bombed me until I signed contracts and had money sitting on account. Then the love bombing stopped and I saw the true condition of the other Scientologists who were trained to manipulate and trick people into believing Scientology was a great church. By then I was under the spell. I was invested and “believed” the propaganda. Holy smokes. Talk about losing your Havingness. Do Scientology and you will lose it all. A St Louis Org staff member and hard core Scientologist, Adam Heft, is working on increasing his havingness after blowing his wad on Scientology.
He is allegedly spending a lot of money on donations to the Ideal Org property in St Louis, which is now being sold. A staff member told me his wife, Susan LoGrasso Heft, is going up the Bridge now, thanks to Adam’s money. So he pays to do the Havingness Rundown and throws money around the course room after throwing money down the toilet donating to a building St Louis had to have but is now being sold? Oy Vey!!! I received some promotion piece from St Louis a while ago about Adam donating a million dollars. I am thinking Adam Heft inherited the money because he is a Case Supervisor and not supervising many Pre-Clears in St Louis, other than the few staff members. Where is the money in that? I am pleased to announce that the St Louis Org is circling the drain thanks to exposure of truth from Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, Alex Gibney, Lawrence Wright, Paulette Cooper, Tony Ortega, Karen DeLaC, Chris Shelton, Marc Headley, Aaron Smith Levin, Jeffrey Augustine, Marty Rathbun, Debbie Cook and a bunch of others which is causing the effect of emtpy Orgs around the globe. Thank you Ess Pee’s. It is so theta that no one is going into the St Louis Org anymore and my sources in Twin Cities tell me that Org is dead as well. I was in St Louis on business a few days ago and drove by the shit hole on Delmar. Maybe 8-10 cars in the parking lot. All staff. It is deader today than it was 10 years ago. You all helped. That is AWESOME and please continue.
February 28, 2020 at 8:30 pm
Very good intel about St. Louis, Theetie!
February 29, 2020 at 1:44 pm
Thanks Aqua. I would like to see more intel on all active Scientologists. If we report the truth about their true condition, perhaps it will help the poor sucker who gets lured into the Scientological trap and keeps them from investing and getting manipulated by the trained Scientologists. Scientology ruins lives.
March 1, 2020 at 2:15 am
I hear you and agree, Theetie. I’d like to believe that Still Ins lurk on this blog and at Tony’s, even though they don’t post. I’d like to believe it and I don’t think its far-fetched to do so. I lurked on Marty’s blog for nearly 2 years before I had the nerve to post anonymously. This was when Marty was against DM, before he flipped back to the dark side). The stories I read on that blog helped me a great deal and gave me the courage and fortitude I needed to leave.
March 1, 2020 at 9:30 am
That is exactly what happens. Many lurkers lurk UTR because every Scientologist is in doubt except for a moment when they “attest” to some “win” they are heavily invested in (money and time) so they want to be right. Their minds find something redeeming about whatever rundown or training to manipulate others gig they are involved with. No worries – that doubt comes back pretty quick.
Immediately, they will typically “key back in” because Scientology deals mainly in restimulation, never easing, never erasing.
Scientology has learned that – that behavior makes Scientology a lot more money. Scientology uses many tricks to key the Scientologist back in. Then they enforce heavy policies such as no talking about your case and to take that up in Auditing. So they use “the psychs” and are merchants of chaos and fear.
March 1, 2020 at 1:37 pm
Same here Aqua. I think Marty did a lot of good exposing the church and that they got dirt on him to blackmail him with, or they threatened his family or threatened to bring out something about the adoption of his son, and then he had to do what DM said to prevent all that from coming out. Plus they probably gave him a lot of money to go back to the dark side. His videos after that truly did look like POW videos.
February 28, 2020 at 10:52 am
Yep, it’s always another process that will fix you…. it’s kinda like”tomorrow” which never arrives because it’s always”tomorrow” 😁
February 28, 2020 at 10:32 am
Withdraw is really a thing? That’s hilarious. Where did LRH learn that? Bargaining with rug merchants in Marrakesh, I’d bet.
February 28, 2020 at 11:47 am
HGC10:”Where did LRH learn that? Bargaining with rug merchants in Marrakesh, I’d bet.”
HARDLY! he wouldn’t have done any bargaining; he had flunkies to do that sort of grunt work.
February 28, 2020 at 9:50 am
EP of the havingness rundown:Quit the cult
February 28, 2020 at 11:41 am
@xenu well, yeah, you have(ing) to do it.
“EP of the havingness rundown:Quit the cult”
That would make it “the HAD-ness runaround”, with apologies for mangling RB’s turn of phrase.
Ed Cadena says
February 28, 2020 at 9:38 am
Money is only a consideration. You can have everything you deserve, and this Ultra Supra Epic Havingness Rundown will let you own the world!
Just keep dreaming…
February 28, 2020 at 8:37 pm
“Money is only a consideration”. I loved that one, back in the day. Just a consideration, that was all it was…right. I also loved, “Money is trash to a thetan”.
After hearing that for a number of years (and falling for it), one day a Reg thru it at me again and out of some corner of my tiny thetan beingness I responded, “Yes, money is trash, except when the org wants it. When the org needs money, its valuable. When I need it, its trash. Right?”
February 28, 2020 at 8:39 pm
Edit: “…THREW, not ‘thru'”.
Peter Blood says
February 28, 2020 at 9:33 am
Bill Handel, a host on the very popular Los Angeles KFI AM radio station, at 8 AM yesterday morning called $cientology “a total crock” on the air. This was while reporting on the Ventura Balloongate incident.
Years ago he had gotten an e-meter test at the celebrity center here in Los Angeles and basically ended up arguing with the auditor who saw a barely perceptible blip on the meter and tried to make a big deal out of it (as they must) to which Handel called him out on in a “Are you kidding? sort of way. Handel walked out.
He also told his employers iHeartRadio to be on the lookout for a lawsuit from Scientology that they have to defend him from per his contract.. He talked at length about the Ventura balloon release $cientology negative PR disaster. I was really surprised to hear someone on L.A. radio in a high market profile talk down $cientology like this.
February 28, 2020 at 10:28 am
Peter. You know, when 1000 balloons burst, they make a lot of noise and even annoy.
February 28, 2020 at 8:50 pm
Hmm…Ventura Opinion Leaders tweeting very negatively about the newly opened Scientology Org in their town; a popular radio jock dissing the Tech…
What’s goin’ on?
Betta getcha bad self over to Ethics.
You need to take responsibility asap.
The time is now!
All these SP’s, over you like white on rice –
How are you PULLING THIS IN?
February 28, 2020 at 9:27 am
The Midas Touch Rundown?
Is that Reach & Withdraw on vehicle muffler’s?
Sounds like a new way for Dave to make money.
February 28, 2020 at 11:56 am
Just DON’T reach for the muffler while the engine’s running. That’ll turn into a withdraw VERY quickly.
February 28, 2020 at 9:13 am
Yeah? I seemed to remember being the orgs to dramatize money. Maybe I’m wrong.
Hey pal, listen to your wife once. And don’t go to any events for a while. You will see that things change.
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