I am so very sorry to hear that horrible news. So very sad as I’ve lost a younger brother to suicide as well. BOTH my brothers had problems their entire lives, & my parents couldn’t handle it so they basically “exited” all our lives when we became adults so to speak.

To feel that death is your ONLY option, that life has become so unbearable & intolerable that to commit suicide is the answer to escape the pain they feel…yet…..in their minds they don’t think about the OTHERS they leave behind to deal with the loss & grief & sadness we feel. Sometimes there are NO answers as to why therapy, a medication, love & support didn’t help them.

It’s unfathomable at best, to know that person is gone forever leaving behind those who truly cared for & loved them. We can only pray that in death they find the peace they could NOT find during their lifetime on Earth.

I am keeping you in my thoughts & prayers…….my deepest sympathy my friend.

Dear gentleman , I hope you don’t have a daughter who is still in I was in Scientology in the 70 s . Not my choice ! Went to Delphian in Oregon.
Met Chick Corea ,Stanley Clark etc . They still affect my life , being raped as a child and then being told you pulled it it ? WTF

Sickening , kults rape children . Just found out another of my Flag Land friends committed suicide .After all these years …RIP

Add to it their founder’s “belief” that men have to have so many wives in order to “get into Heaven”….and the drilled in the head belief that its the same for women.

Disgusting that 12 & 13 year old females are given to “loyal men” who suck ass to be in the “inner sanctum” of the leader’s consideration & ONLY AFTER Jeffs perverted self choices of the youngest freshest & prettiest females for himself with the remaining not so pretties assigned to his old aged loyalist.

Jeffs after his father’s death reassigned ALL of his father’s wives to HIMSELF. The more women to have sex with…along with “a revelation tells me I am to marry your 10 year old”…..

He still runs the show & our government ALLOWS it. He’s convicted…he should be given a NO CONTACT ORDER WITH ANYONE. No calls, no letters, no visits…NOTHING. He should have been assigned to “General Population” where the inmates KNOW HOW to “take care of child pedophiles”.

I told the tale of a young women we tried to help when I was with CPS….she was just 18…we did everything we could for her…she could not deal with “life on the outside” & making decisions for herself.

She went back to be then “hidden away elsewhere & then assigned as a bride to a man in his 50’s & pregnant immediately”……THEY taught her a lesson about disobedience.

Reminds me of the sad story of one member who suffered terribly. After taking out loans on a house so as to donate for more very expensive services the bank foreclosed and kicked the member out. The member had lost their job along with a family member who had been sharing the house and loan payment. In the end the member was left with nothing but a car so moved into it.

Glenn, and if you consider that 30 or fewer households probably account for the active membership and staff of most orgs these days, many have sacrificed so that the CofS can have more empty space, than they actually have to live in themselves. They have been led to compromise their own interests, including the ability to own a home of their own with financial equity in it.

p.s. Thanks for clarifying the actual floorplan square footage – and for all the information and experience you share.

Yeah, i’d say that pretty well describes the actual purpose of polygamy in mormonism. It was never about a shortage of men (in the wild west? are you kidding!?). It was always about old leches getting their dicks wet and competition/one upmanship (how many wives do YOU have, elder?). Which would be fine if consent was freely given all around, but it’s not. Hell, consent isn’t even a concept in mormonism. Or christianity. Or any of the religions of abraham for that matter. So it’s no wonder that horrific abuse abounds.

The thing that makes Scientology different than the FLDS mormons is that every FLDS man aspires to be an abusive cult leader (or they leave). In Scientology, that’s just one man. Der dwarfenfuhrer.

That was an estimate of wall space that would require painting.

The floor area of the place was only about 65,000 sf. About 1/2rd of the average Costco store. Still huge if one considers the average home is about 2000 sf. The org would be equivalent to about 32 houses!

Echoing halls for sure.

Komodo, “ideal” buildings seem to be 48,000 square feet minimum, based on what I’ve seen of property records and purchase information – though in discussion that’s often rounded up and referred to as a 50,000 square foot standard. A couple of local orgs in larger cities are 10,000 or more square feet larger than that, but they’re exceptions. Only some of their major national or international facilities are over 100,000 square feet. I think Glenn may have put an extra zero in his figure.

For comparison, there seems to have been a preference for putting orgs that haven’t gone ideal in around 10,000 square foot spaces – more realistic, though still probably larger than lot of orgs actually even need at this point. I’ve found some of the small and failing ones in spaces of around 5,000 square feet, and some are or may have been in even tinier spaces – when they’re just renting part of a building, it’s sometimes hard to figure out how how much of it they have.

400,000 square foot building for 40 people at the max??? (including staff.) I imagine that is roughly the size of many Costco buildings. Anyone know if this is a comparable building size?