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		By: John Doe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 03:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129602&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

I hope she gets her new Eternity and resumes taking to you.  The annoying thing about getting a new Eternity--installing it takes Forever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129602">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>I hope she gets her new Eternity and resumes taking to you.  The annoying thing about getting a new Eternity&#8211;installing it takes Forever.</p>
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		By: gtsix		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129658</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129657&quot;&gt;gtsix&lt;/a&gt;.

^^ argh, bad sentence: &quot;was short&quot; should replace &quot;was not short&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129657">gtsix</a>.</p>
<p>^^ argh, bad sentence: &#8220;was short&#8221; should replace &#8220;was not short&#8221;</p>
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		By: gtsix		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2016 18:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129304&quot;&gt;Friend&lt;/a&gt;.

Neither Hitler (5&#039;9&quot;) nor Napolean (5&#039;7&quot;) was not short for the time period they were alive.

Just a friendly FYI.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129304">Friend</a>.</p>
<p>Neither Hitler (5&#8217;9&#8243;) nor Napolean (5&#8217;7&#8243;) was not short for the time period they were alive.</p>
<p>Just a friendly FYI.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129619</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[indie8million]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129250&quot;&gt;LDW&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Les - so true. It&#039;s all there, literally, at their fingertips. 

I found out what was happening, you found out - it&#039;s almost impossible to miss it these days. All people have to do is research. 

If someone is worried about others seeing what&#039;s in their computer, all they have to do is to go to the public library to research it. Google is your best friend. 

A good place to start your journey is by hearing from a woman who was the Captain of the FSO for 17 years and was a Sea Org member for 30 years. 

Her letter starts like this:
“I am emailing you as a friend and fellow Scientologist. As we enter a new year, it is hoped that 2012 can be a year of great dissemination and a year of real progress up The Bridge for all Scientologists.&quot; 

I believe you will find her loyalty to LRH unassailable and her assessment of the current scene very enlightening.

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-years-email-from-debbie-cook/

If you&#039;re wondering where Heber is - I miss seeing my friend around at events, etc. - click on these links:

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/heber-jentzsch/

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-president-heber-jentzsch-told-his-brother-ill-never-get-out-of-here-alive-also-alex-jentzschs-last-phone-call-6711825

Other topics of interest if you&#039;re thinking about getting out or just trying to find out why people are leaving:

&quot;Scientology disconnection&quot;

Scientology &quot;the hole&quot;

Good luck in your journey. 

There are so many OT 8/Class VIII&#039;s and other brilliant auditors (LDW being one of them) who are out and are still auditing with Ron&#039;s tech. You might make even faster gain with no unnecessary sec checks and no IAS regges hovering after session.

Wouldn&#039;t that be nice? 

It&#039;s your turn to know what&#039;s happening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129250">LDW</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Les &#8211; so true. It&#8217;s all there, literally, at their fingertips. </p>
<p>I found out what was happening, you found out &#8211; it&#8217;s almost impossible to miss it these days. All people have to do is research. </p>
<p>If someone is worried about others seeing what&#8217;s in their computer, all they have to do is to go to the public library to research it. Google is your best friend. </p>
<p>A good place to start your journey is by hearing from a woman who was the Captain of the FSO for 17 years and was a Sea Org member for 30 years. </p>
<p>Her letter starts like this:<br />
“I am emailing you as a friend and fellow Scientologist. As we enter a new year, it is hoped that 2012 can be a year of great dissemination and a year of real progress up The Bridge for all Scientologists.&#8221; </p>
<p>I believe you will find her loyalty to LRH unassailable and her assessment of the current scene very enlightening.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-years-email-from-debbie-cook/" rel="ugc">http://www.mikerindersblog.org/new-years-email-from-debbie-cook/</a></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re wondering where Heber is &#8211; I miss seeing my friend around at events, etc. &#8211; click on these links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mikerindersblog.org/heber-jentzsch/" rel="ugc">http://www.mikerindersblog.org/heber-jentzsch/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-president-heber-jentzsch-told-his-brother-ill-never-get-out-of-here-alive-also-alex-jentzschs-last-phone-call-6711825" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-president-heber-jentzsch-told-his-brother-ill-never-get-out-of-here-alive-also-alex-jentzschs-last-phone-call-6711825</a></p>
<p>Other topics of interest if you&#8217;re thinking about getting out or just trying to find out why people are leaving:</p>
<p>&#8220;Scientology disconnection&#8221;</p>
<p>Scientology &#8220;the hole&#8221;</p>
<p>Good luck in your journey. </p>
<p>There are so many OT 8/Class VIII&#8217;s and other brilliant auditors (LDW being one of them) who are out and are still auditing with Ron&#8217;s tech. You might make even faster gain with no unnecessary sec checks and no IAS regges hovering after session.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t that be nice? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s your turn to know what&#8217;s happening.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129259&quot;&gt;John Doe&lt;/a&gt;.

John Doe! LOL! Maybe I should send this to my &#039;friend&#039; of nearly 30 years who threw me in the &quot;I can&#039;t talk to you because I&#039;m doing my Bridge now and I can&#039;t afford to have anyone on my lines who doesn&#039;t agree with &#039;my religion&#039;. My eternity is too important to me.&quot; bin.

Well, maybe she can pick up a new one at a good price over at Goodwill. Then we can be friends again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129259">John Doe</a>.</p>
<p>John Doe! LOL! Maybe I should send this to my &#8216;friend&#8217; of nearly 30 years who threw me in the &#8220;I can&#8217;t talk to you because I&#8217;m doing my Bridge now and I can&#8217;t afford to have anyone on my lines who doesn&#8217;t agree with &#8216;my religion&#8217;. My eternity is too important to me.&#8221; bin.</p>
<p>Well, maybe she can pick up a new one at a good price over at Goodwill. Then we can be friends again.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129597</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129282&quot;&gt;Mike Wynski&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike Wynski - just one little correction on this:  &quot;Even the “great” El Con hisself was unable to resist his evil power and thus kept promoting him and even trusting him unconditionally.&quot;

I wasn&#039;t there so maybe someone here can verify it, but the way I heeered it, Ron did work with DM when he was even shorter, as a kid on the film sets, but in the Pat and Annie Broeker days, DM was always one man back from Ron, reporting to Pat Broeker, and never having much direct contact with Ron.

Ron wanted Pat and Annie to take over. They are who he trusted, not DM. David Miscavige was never &quot;chosen&quot; by LRH to take over anything. 

But Pat and Annie sure got a snoot full of DMs &quot;all-powerful&quot; suppressiveness. So did Mary Sue and now, apparently, so does Diana Hubbard. 

Regardless of how one chooses to demonize the old man, IMHO DM is a much bigger assh*le because he never intended to help anybody, really, ever, except himself.

Mike commented one time that he knew LRH personally and that Ron actually wanted to help people and spent his whole life genuinely looking for ways to do that. Miscavige&#039;s intentions were only to help himself. I hope I didn&#039;t paraphrase that too badly, Mike. That&#039;s what I took out of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129282">Mike Wynski</a>.</p>
<p>Mike Wynski &#8211; just one little correction on this:  &#8220;Even the “great” El Con hisself was unable to resist his evil power and thus kept promoting him and even trusting him unconditionally.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t there so maybe someone here can verify it, but the way I heeered it, Ron did work with DM when he was even shorter, as a kid on the film sets, but in the Pat and Annie Broeker days, DM was always one man back from Ron, reporting to Pat Broeker, and never having much direct contact with Ron.</p>
<p>Ron wanted Pat and Annie to take over. They are who he trusted, not DM. David Miscavige was never &#8220;chosen&#8221; by LRH to take over anything. </p>
<p>But Pat and Annie sure got a snoot full of DMs &#8220;all-powerful&#8221; suppressiveness. So did Mary Sue and now, apparently, so does Diana Hubbard. </p>
<p>Regardless of how one chooses to demonize the old man, IMHO DM is a much bigger assh*le because he never intended to help anybody, really, ever, except himself.</p>
<p>Mike commented one time that he knew LRH personally and that Ron actually wanted to help people and spent his whole life genuinely looking for ways to do that. Miscavige&#8217;s intentions were only to help himself. I hope I didn&#8217;t paraphrase that too badly, Mike. That&#8217;s what I took out of it.</p>
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		By: Cindy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2016 04:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129214&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Good post Aquamarine.  I hope you&#039;re right that maybe in their 30&#039;s or 40&#039;s or beyond they come to their senses, leave the church and find their long gone parents and reunite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129214">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Good post Aquamarine.  I hope you&#8217;re right that maybe in their 30&#8217;s or 40&#8217;s or beyond they come to their senses, leave the church and find their long gone parents and reunite.</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann B Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129336&quot;&gt;Ann B Watson&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Aquamarine, Edit: the loneliness of the SOers there...Got to get my coffee..XOAnn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129336">Ann B Watson</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Aquamarine, Edit: the loneliness of the SOers there&#8230;Got to get my coffee..XOAnn.</p>
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		By: Ann B Watson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129269&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Aquamarine, Love your post! I went over to Tony&#039;s to see more of the ridiculous ribbon yanking for Atlanta and scrolling down the other pieces there I found one of the saddest pictures I have ever seen of a recent Sea Org member.The 17 year old boy-man staring sadly down at his little b-day cake caused me to burst into tears.It is horrible.I never celebrated my b-day the first SO year,then word went round F and I got roses and a vino on my b-day the next yr from secret admirers that helped more to me than anything back then.To know some cared about me,and what was to come,made a difference for awhile.The abject loneliness of that SOers there for a billion years got to me.May he open his eyes and escape.This cult&#039;s time is over.Love U,Ann.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129269">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Aquamarine, Love your post! I went over to Tony&#8217;s to see more of the ridiculous ribbon yanking for Atlanta and scrolling down the other pieces there I found one of the saddest pictures I have ever seen of a recent Sea Org member.The 17 year old boy-man staring sadly down at his little b-day cake caused me to burst into tears.It is horrible.I never celebrated my b-day the first SO year,then word went round F and I got roses and a vino on my b-day the next yr from secret admirers that helped more to me than anything back then.To know some cared about me,and what was to come,made a difference for awhile.The abject loneliness of that SOers there for a billion years got to me.May he open his eyes and escape.This cult&#8217;s time is over.Love U,Ann.</p>
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		By: sashiebgood		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2016 23:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129328&quot;&gt;sashiebgood&lt;/a&gt;.

when one is shunned from an orthodox Jewish sect, their families sit shiva - as if the person is dead. Really dead. that&#039;s the only thing I can think of that&#039;s close.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-42/#comment-129328">sashiebgood</a>.</p>
<p>when one is shunned from an orthodox Jewish sect, their families sit shiva &#8211; as if the person is dead. Really dead. that&#8217;s the only thing I can think of that&#8217;s close.</p>
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