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		By: Nickname		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144409&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Happy to hear that, Aqua. (Surprised, too - I didn&#039;t have any idea you had articulated that goal to yourself.) I ran into problems getting training, too, and it is also a long story. Training is easy, and fun too. Makes me wonder how many others ran into the same problems? I like your answer about &quot;why audit?&quot; (Could write more, but it&#039;s a day-by-day blog.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144409">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Happy to hear that, Aqua. (Surprised, too &#8211; I didn&#8217;t have any idea you had articulated that goal to yourself.) I ran into problems getting training, too, and it is also a long story. Training is easy, and fun too. Makes me wonder how many others ran into the same problems? I like your answer about &#8220;why audit?&#8221; (Could write more, but it&#8217;s a day-by-day blog.)</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 01:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144392&quot;&gt;Nickname&lt;/a&gt;.

You just gave me an enormous compliment, Nickname. With no false modesty I do not believe that I actually deserve it, but, its very nice to hear, so thank you.  Thinking freely was a goal of mine before I got into Scientology.  I had a vague concept that it could be possible.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve achieved it because although I have this concept of what it is, I can&#039;t actually define it.   As you asked, &quot;Free from what?, or &quot;freedom TO&quot; be/do/have or not be/not do/not have WHAT?  you know? Isuppose the answer to that would be the same as the answer to  &quot;Who am I, really?&quot;.  

I&#039;m not auditor trained although I wanted  to be (long story) but as to the reason why people audit, my own take on it is that it is fun to help someone. That&#039;s my own viewpoint.  Its fun to make someone happy.  To bring a person uptone, with all that implies.  As that person&#039;s auditor, its like being that person, looking from that person&#039;s viewpoint even if one doesn&#039;t agree. In fact, especially if one doesn&#039;t agree.  Its another world, another life.  Its interesting.  Again, I&#039;m not an auditor but I&#039;ve had some excellent auditing myself,  so I  think that if I were auditing someone correctly that the effect should be beneficial to the person from that person&#039;s viewpoint. In other words, there&#039;s someone in front of you, on the  cans - what does this person want/not want, need/not need, what does this person want to be/do/have or not be/do/have?  I would say its an auditor&#039;s job to assist that person along with his or her own goals. I would consider this interesting, and, well, there&#039;s that word again, but -fun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144392">Nickname</a>.</p>
<p>You just gave me an enormous compliment, Nickname. With no false modesty I do not believe that I actually deserve it, but, its very nice to hear, so thank you.  Thinking freely was a goal of mine before I got into Scientology.  I had a vague concept that it could be possible.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve achieved it because although I have this concept of what it is, I can&#8217;t actually define it.   As you asked, &#8220;Free from what?, or &#8220;freedom TO&#8221; be/do/have or not be/not do/not have WHAT?  you know? Isuppose the answer to that would be the same as the answer to  &#8220;Who am I, really?&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not auditor trained although I wanted  to be (long story) but as to the reason why people audit, my own take on it is that it is fun to help someone. That&#8217;s my own viewpoint.  Its fun to make someone happy.  To bring a person uptone, with all that implies.  As that person&#8217;s auditor, its like being that person, looking from that person&#8217;s viewpoint even if one doesn&#8217;t agree. In fact, especially if one doesn&#8217;t agree.  Its another world, another life.  Its interesting.  Again, I&#8217;m not an auditor but I&#8217;ve had some excellent auditing myself,  so I  think that if I were auditing someone correctly that the effect should be beneficial to the person from that person&#8217;s viewpoint. In other words, there&#8217;s someone in front of you, on the  cans &#8211; what does this person want/not want, need/not need, what does this person want to be/do/have or not be/do/have?  I would say its an auditor&#8217;s job to assist that person along with his or her own goals. I would consider this interesting, and, well, there&#8217;s that word again, but -fun.</p>
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		By: Aquamarine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2016 00:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144375&quot;&gt;T.J.&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s right, T.J.  Somewhere circa 2005 I observed the changeover with emphasis on Bridge going to emphasis on IAS and other &quot;straight donos&quot; including but not limited to Ideal Orgs.  There was a big Library Campaign push.  Lots of pressure for that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144375">T.J.</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, T.J.  Somewhere circa 2005 I observed the changeover with emphasis on Bridge going to emphasis on IAS and other &#8220;straight donos&#8221; including but not limited to Ideal Orgs.  There was a big Library Campaign push.  Lots of pressure for that.</p>
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		By: Nickname		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 20:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144334&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

Aqua - You were in for 25 years? Wow. I never would have guessed. Your thought is very free. 

There&#039;s something in a being that balks at simple appropriate perspective on his own nature and relative importance. The sense of it gets lost, somehow, in a game.So the communication gets untrue in the sense that most of the &quot;relevant&quot; comm is about the game. E.g. Guys sit around and talk about their boats over the weekends, then go back to work and talk about projects and give orders on how to accomplish goals and valuable final products, and this has to do with the normal activities of successful people within the context of the game of being in a body and all. And it&#039;s all fine and good and all that, until the guy gets to body expiration dates (powerful writer, the guy who did the writing for &quot;Blade Runner&quot;), then the guy runs into the Big Questions. 

I&#039;m thinking of the end of the movie, when Harrison Ford&#039;s line is something like, &quot;Why did he, at the last moment, save me?&quot; But earlier in the flick, Daryl Hanna&#039;s line gets me: &quot;And we&#039;re stupid, and we&#039;re going to die.&quot;

I asked a couple of auditors what I thought was a real simple question: &quot;Why do you audit?&quot; I found I had to explain, because I got answers like &quot;Clearing the planet&quot;, and &quot;to help people&quot;. So I tried again: &quot;No, I mean YOU - what do YOU get out of it? What is your Ideal Scene for the whole thing, personally? How do YOU personally benefit?&quot; Too big a question. 

What does &quot;to help someone&quot; really mean, in the big picture? If you give someone answers, what do you get, what do you end up with? You get, I think, a freer being with better conduct and thoughts of his own, and you can maybe talk about something more profound than boats and islands and bonuses. In short, better company. There&#039;s more to it than that, but the idea is that you approach even bigger questions, like &quot;What do you plan to do for the rest of eternity?&quot; Which is a funny question, because there is no &quot;the rest of&quot; to eternity. That is, &quot;the rest of&quot; implies a finite quantity, like &quot;the rest of the cake&quot; or &quot;the rest of the day&quot;. &quot;The rest of eternity&quot; is facetious. 

I&#039;m just trying to validate your thought and motivations here, because it seems to me that you are one of the people who &quot;gets it&quot; about what we&#039;re doing, really. Scientology is a via, a way to. It&#039;s &quot;freedom TO&quot; and the question is freedom to what? I think we all want brighter and more free-er people, and that&#039;s the &quot;why audit&quot; answer - something like that. Ethics is all about admin scales.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144334">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>Aqua &#8211; You were in for 25 years? Wow. I never would have guessed. Your thought is very free. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s something in a being that balks at simple appropriate perspective on his own nature and relative importance. The sense of it gets lost, somehow, in a game.So the communication gets untrue in the sense that most of the &#8220;relevant&#8221; comm is about the game. E.g. Guys sit around and talk about their boats over the weekends, then go back to work and talk about projects and give orders on how to accomplish goals and valuable final products, and this has to do with the normal activities of successful people within the context of the game of being in a body and all. And it&#8217;s all fine and good and all that, until the guy gets to body expiration dates (powerful writer, the guy who did the writing for &#8220;Blade Runner&#8221;), then the guy runs into the Big Questions. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of the end of the movie, when Harrison Ford&#8217;s line is something like, &#8220;Why did he, at the last moment, save me?&#8221; But earlier in the flick, Daryl Hanna&#8217;s line gets me: &#8220;And we&#8217;re stupid, and we&#8217;re going to die.&#8221;</p>
<p>I asked a couple of auditors what I thought was a real simple question: &#8220;Why do you audit?&#8221; I found I had to explain, because I got answers like &#8220;Clearing the planet&#8221;, and &#8220;to help people&#8221;. So I tried again: &#8220;No, I mean YOU &#8211; what do YOU get out of it? What is your Ideal Scene for the whole thing, personally? How do YOU personally benefit?&#8221; Too big a question. </p>
<p>What does &#8220;to help someone&#8221; really mean, in the big picture? If you give someone answers, what do you get, what do you end up with? You get, I think, a freer being with better conduct and thoughts of his own, and you can maybe talk about something more profound than boats and islands and bonuses. In short, better company. There&#8217;s more to it than that, but the idea is that you approach even bigger questions, like &#8220;What do you plan to do for the rest of eternity?&#8221; Which is a funny question, because there is no &#8220;the rest of&#8221; to eternity. That is, &#8220;the rest of&#8221; implies a finite quantity, like &#8220;the rest of the cake&#8221; or &#8220;the rest of the day&#8221;. &#8220;The rest of eternity&#8221; is facetious. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just trying to validate your thought and motivations here, because it seems to me that you are one of the people who &#8220;gets it&#8221; about what we&#8217;re doing, really. Scientology is a via, a way to. It&#8217;s &#8220;freedom TO&#8221; and the question is freedom to what? I think we all want brighter and more free-er people, and that&#8217;s the &#8220;why audit&#8221; answer &#8211; something like that. Ethics is all about admin scales.</p>
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		By: T.J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 18:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144320&quot;&gt;Aquamarine&lt;/a&gt;.

So let me guess. Now the constant push is to give money to the IAS and moving up in &quot;status&quot;, donating to build Ideal Orgs?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144320">Aquamarine</a>.</p>
<p>So let me guess. Now the constant push is to give money to the IAS and moving up in &#8220;status&#8221;, donating to build Ideal Orgs?</p>
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		By: No One		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No One]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 16:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144297&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

So Brilliantly Written.  Thank you.]]></description>
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<p>So Brilliantly Written.  Thank you.</p>
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		By: WhatWall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 14:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bruce, excellent post. Thanks.]]></description>
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		By: Mike Wynski		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144309&quot;&gt;Old Surfer Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes OSD, ANYTHING that is Command Intention du jour qualifies.  That&#039;s how El Con lived his entire crooked life too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144309">Old Surfer Dude</a>.</p>
<p>Yes OSD, ANYTHING that is Command Intention du jour qualifies.  That&#8217;s how El Con lived his entire crooked life too.</p>
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		By: clearlypissedoff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144326&quot;&gt;McCarran&lt;/a&gt;.

I managed to keep one of my sons.  He refused to disconnect from us.  The other moved with no forwarding address, changed his phone number/email address, blocked us from FB/Instagram and we haven&#039;t heard anything from him in about 1.5 years.  This last communication was a 10 page KR about us.

We&#039;ll keep on fighting though.  I personally feel I wont see him again, ever, unless the church is brought down but my wife is more positive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144326">McCarran</a>.</p>
<p>I managed to keep one of my sons.  He refused to disconnect from us.  The other moved with no forwarding address, changed his phone number/email address, blocked us from FB/Instagram and we haven&#8217;t heard anything from him in about 1.5 years.  This last communication was a 10 page KR about us.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll keep on fighting though.  I personally feel I wont see him again, ever, unless the church is brought down but my wife is more positive.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 10:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144337&quot;&gt;Jose Chung&lt;/a&gt;.

Great line Jose.I could come with my sleeping bag and listen to you until you were finished.I believe,I lived some of that insanity.<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png" alt="❤" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2764.png" alt="❤" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-62/#comment-144337">Jose Chung</a>.</p>
<p>Great line Jose.I could come with my sleeping bag and listen to you until you were finished.I believe,I lived some of that insanity.❤️❤️?</p>
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