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		By: x Team Xenu 75 to 03 chuck beatty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[x Team Xenu 75 to 03 chuck beatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2022 21:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494300&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

yea, it&#039;d have been more pleasant had the Hubbard women taken over, for sure.   Or anyone ,for that matter.   

Debbie Cook would have been a good pick.

Anyone would have been a better &quot;pick&quot; than Miscavige.

But, to me, since I got in for the theory (we are souls, we transmigrate, we do the Hubbard pseudo-therapy to erase our banks, and then we exorcise our body-thetans and thus lose all their implanted bad karma they leak onto us).   

And what fell flat, in the end, over time, is these beliefs in past lives, past lives&#039; &quot;case&quot;, and surplus souls&#039; case that leaks onto us, all supposedly.  

That is a hard sell, once it is simply laid out what Scientology&#039;s selling.   

No matter who is running the sales of this pseudo-therapy and exorcism.

The beliefs of Scientology, do matter, and they fell flat for me,  no matter who&#039;s driving the outfit.  

Again, you smart genuine &quot;tech&quot; people and other smart people, kept the operation afloat, literally.  

Inspirational &quot;leaders&quot; are kind of props for the actual subject.   

I wasn&#039;t there for the good or bad leaders, when the ideas began to bottom out, for me, and no &quot;OT&quot; people really, coming off the end of the assembly line of the Scientology quackery lineup, it becomes obvious this operation is a long runway scam.  My delusional hope deflated.

I read a book by a New Yorker writer, and she said the dupes false hopes fuel their participation in cons.   When their false hopes deflate, then participation in the con becomes meaningless.   I agree with that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494300">Bruce Ploetz</a>.</p>
<p>yea, it&#8217;d have been more pleasant had the Hubbard women taken over, for sure.   Or anyone ,for that matter.   </p>
<p>Debbie Cook would have been a good pick.</p>
<p>Anyone would have been a better &#8220;pick&#8221; than Miscavige.</p>
<p>But, to me, since I got in for the theory (we are souls, we transmigrate, we do the Hubbard pseudo-therapy to erase our banks, and then we exorcise our body-thetans and thus lose all their implanted bad karma they leak onto us).   </p>
<p>And what fell flat, in the end, over time, is these beliefs in past lives, past lives&#8217; &#8220;case&#8221;, and surplus souls&#8217; case that leaks onto us, all supposedly.  </p>
<p>That is a hard sell, once it is simply laid out what Scientology&#8217;s selling.   </p>
<p>No matter who is running the sales of this pseudo-therapy and exorcism.</p>
<p>The beliefs of Scientology, do matter, and they fell flat for me,  no matter who&#8217;s driving the outfit.  </p>
<p>Again, you smart genuine &#8220;tech&#8221; people and other smart people, kept the operation afloat, literally.  </p>
<p>Inspirational &#8220;leaders&#8221; are kind of props for the actual subject.   </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t there for the good or bad leaders, when the ideas began to bottom out, for me, and no &#8220;OT&#8221; people really, coming off the end of the assembly line of the Scientology quackery lineup, it becomes obvious this operation is a long runway scam.  My delusional hope deflated.</p>
<p>I read a book by a New Yorker writer, and she said the dupes false hopes fuel their participation in cons.   When their false hopes deflate, then participation in the con becomes meaningless.   I agree with that.</p>
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		By: Bruce Ploetz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2022 21:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494267&quot;&gt;x Team Xenu 75 to 03&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh yes, Chuck, I was at the Int Base from 1983 to 2004 except for the trips to the Int events every year. In 1989 my big project was the Cassette Duplication Line in the Manufacturing Building. Just about 24/7 with the odd nap. 

Well, I suppose someone could have figured out and &quot;rationalized&quot; Scientology, like Brigham Young after the implosion of Joseph Smith. We are lucky no-one did. Makes it easier for them to simply fade into obscurity.

I guess Dave thinks of himself as the heir to the auspices of Source, but he hasn&#039;t got enough imagination to truly re-invent anything. And his screaming paranoia makes him view anyone who could as a threat, forcibly ejecting them. Can you imagine the Scientology of today if Diana had taken over, or even Mary Sue, or someone like David Mayo? 

We will never know and it is just as well. Let them stew in their telexes, statistics and routing forms until the inevitable final chapter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494267">x Team Xenu 75 to 03</a>.</p>
<p>Oh yes, Chuck, I was at the Int Base from 1983 to 2004 except for the trips to the Int events every year. In 1989 my big project was the Cassette Duplication Line in the Manufacturing Building. Just about 24/7 with the odd nap. </p>
<p>Well, I suppose someone could have figured out and &#8220;rationalized&#8221; Scientology, like Brigham Young after the implosion of Joseph Smith. We are lucky no-one did. Makes it easier for them to simply fade into obscurity.</p>
<p>I guess Dave thinks of himself as the heir to the auspices of Source, but he hasn&#8217;t got enough imagination to truly re-invent anything. And his screaming paranoia makes him view anyone who could as a threat, forcibly ejecting them. Can you imagine the Scientology of today if Diana had taken over, or even Mary Sue, or someone like David Mayo? </p>
<p>We will never know and it is just as well. Let them stew in their telexes, statistics and routing forms until the inevitable final chapter.</p>
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		By: x Team Xenu 75 to 03 chuck beatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494268</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[x Team Xenu 75 to 03 chuck beatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2022 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-493987&quot;&gt;Xenu Cruise&lt;/a&gt;.

Great moniker, &quot;Xenu Cruise&quot; 

It does hidden triple duty, that name.

Hi, 

I&#039;m Xenu Cruise, and I work in the Cult 22 Brainwashing Bamboozling World of Scientology created by L. Ron Hubbard.   

I invite you to Join our Team Xenu crusade today, and help us strip off Xenu&#039;s body-thetans&#039; bad karma off all humans, and fix earth.  

Xenu Cruise

ps:  Remember, if you join Team Xenu, we provide the free Hubbard Ouija Board Electrometer which helps you target Xenu&#039;s &quot;body-thetans&quot; and rid them from our targeted dupes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-493987">Xenu Cruise</a>.</p>
<p>Great moniker, &#8220;Xenu Cruise&#8221; </p>
<p>It does hidden triple duty, that name.</p>
<p>Hi, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m Xenu Cruise, and I work in the Cult 22 Brainwashing Bamboozling World of Scientology created by L. Ron Hubbard.   </p>
<p>I invite you to Join our Team Xenu crusade today, and help us strip off Xenu&#8217;s body-thetans&#8217; bad karma off all humans, and fix earth.  </p>
<p>Xenu Cruise</p>
<p>ps:  Remember, if you join Team Xenu, we provide the free Hubbard Ouija Board Electrometer which helps you target Xenu&#8217;s &#8220;body-thetans&#8221; and rid them from our targeted dupes.</p>
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		By: x Team Xenu 75 to 03		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494267</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[x Team Xenu 75 to 03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2022 15:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494135&quot;&gt;Bruce Ploetz&lt;/a&gt;.

I obviously totally failed when I was on the &quot;routing forms&quot; my lack of ever contacting you, since you clearly could think with the Hubbard options, and would have truly, sadly, gotten the job done for LRH&#039;s ideas.

My gosh, you ought to have been in the conference room all the time, every day the top people were plotting who and how to implement Hubbard&#039;s craziness.

You really were a legit unutilized mind.   Thankfully for humanity, you bounced out.  

Otherwise, you would have been spotted, and used, to figure out how to do the Hubbard craziness more effectively.  

You were still there in 1989 weren&#039;t you?

I seem to recall you at least shuffling around near the HEM Building area cluster of buildings, in the 1980s, when I slipped into various buildings for my visits to Int Base.  

&quot;Tech&quot; people like you were what Scientology actually ran on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494135">Bruce Ploetz</a>.</p>
<p>I obviously totally failed when I was on the &#8220;routing forms&#8221; my lack of ever contacting you, since you clearly could think with the Hubbard options, and would have truly, sadly, gotten the job done for LRH&#8217;s ideas.</p>
<p>My gosh, you ought to have been in the conference room all the time, every day the top people were plotting who and how to implement Hubbard&#8217;s craziness.</p>
<p>You really were a legit unutilized mind.   Thankfully for humanity, you bounced out.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, you would have been spotted, and used, to figure out how to do the Hubbard craziness more effectively.  </p>
<p>You were still there in 1989 weren&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>I seem to recall you at least shuffling around near the HEM Building area cluster of buildings, in the 1980s, when I slipped into various buildings for my visits to Int Base.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Tech&#8221; people like you were what Scientology actually ran on.</p>
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		By: x Team Xenu 75 to 03 chuck beatty		</title>
		<link>https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494265</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[x Team Xenu 75 to 03 chuck beatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2022 15:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-493995&quot;&gt;ExScnStaff&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, this absolutely is valid speculation.

Otto Roos, for one, an excellent choice to claim to have been, as a troll.

Or, sadly claiming to have been David Mayo.

Or John McMasters.

Or just go down the list of the 1950s era leaders.

Mary Sue would also be completely untasteful to claim to have been.  

It quickly gets into totally untasteful disrespectful thinking.   

Bill Robertson.   It becomes endless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-493995">ExScnStaff</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, this absolutely is valid speculation.</p>
<p>Otto Roos, for one, an excellent choice to claim to have been, as a troll.</p>
<p>Or, sadly claiming to have been David Mayo.</p>
<p>Or John McMasters.</p>
<p>Or just go down the list of the 1950s era leaders.</p>
<p>Mary Sue would also be completely untasteful to claim to have been.  </p>
<p>It quickly gets into totally untasteful disrespectful thinking.   </p>
<p>Bill Robertson.   It becomes endless.</p>
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		By: Bruce Ploetz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Ploetz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494038&quot;&gt;x Team Xenu chuck beatty 75 to 03&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh Chuck, it is really too bad that all those old films are forever locked away in the Film Lab never to be seen again. The big scene with Isaac Hayes peering into space with a giant telescope was one of the first shots in the newly constructed Cine Studio. He did a great job narrating that completely whacked out film.

I have an idea for the Chug computerized routing form - get every Scientologist to tattoo a QR code on their forehead. Then all you have to do is get it scanned. Finish a course, go to the examiner - SCAN the Chug-box beeps and says &quot;Go to the registrar!&quot; SCAN - beep - &quot;Buy this course!&quot; Dave would LOVE it. 

Sort of like the Mark of the Beast. Except I hear Zuckerburg is planning on using a brain implant instead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494038">x Team Xenu chuck beatty 75 to 03</a>.</p>
<p>Oh Chuck, it is really too bad that all those old films are forever locked away in the Film Lab never to be seen again. The big scene with Isaac Hayes peering into space with a giant telescope was one of the first shots in the newly constructed Cine Studio. He did a great job narrating that completely whacked out film.</p>
<p>I have an idea for the Chug computerized routing form &#8211; get every Scientologist to tattoo a QR code on their forehead. Then all you have to do is get it scanned. Finish a course, go to the examiner &#8211; SCAN the Chug-box beeps and says &#8220;Go to the registrar!&#8221; SCAN &#8211; beep &#8211; &#8220;Buy this course!&#8221; Dave would LOVE it. </p>
<p>Sort of like the Mark of the Beast. Except I hear Zuckerburg is planning on using a brain implant instead.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494017&quot;&gt;Todd Cray&lt;/a&gt;.

If v1.0 was correct (he wasn&#039;t), he&#039;s now where he deserved to be before &#039;86, in lock-up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494017">Todd Cray</a>.</p>
<p>If v1.0 was correct (he wasn&#8217;t), he&#8217;s now where he deserved to be before &#8217;86, in lock-up.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jere Lull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494020&quot;&gt;Todd Cray&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s the spirit, Todd.  Good job conjuring up your inner Dwarfenführer®!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494020">Todd Cray</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the spirit, Todd.  Good job conjuring up your inner Dwarfenführer®!</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494033&quot;&gt;chuck beatty x 75 to 03&lt;/a&gt;.

Frankly, I don&#039;t expect the orgs to be there &#038; delivering services by the time I kick the bucket.  They are hardly there and delivering  NOW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494033">chuck beatty x 75 to 03</a>.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t expect the orgs to be there &amp; delivering services by the time I kick the bucket.  They are hardly there and delivering  NOW.</p>
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		By: Jere Lull		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494068&quot;&gt;otherles&lt;/a&gt;.

Groaning isn&#039;t adversarial, it&#039;s just joining in with us jokers &#038; degraders.  There is SO much within the bubble that deserves a full-on belly laugh if you feel one coming on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-8-8/#comment-494068">otherles</a>.</p>
<p>Groaning isn&#8217;t adversarial, it&#8217;s just joining in with us jokers &amp; degraders.  There is SO much within the bubble that deserves a full-on belly laugh if you feel one coming on.</p>
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